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This could be an interesting thread.

Love to know how either R or AR on that side failed to detect that being a red without needing VAR.

How has Romero not been given a straight red (despite it being a 2nd yellow) for a blatant kick out).

Bentancur, would you be considering more than a yellow for that?
 
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Romeo with a clear kick out, surely straight red is appropriate. Bantacur was a naughty challenge, very very late, maybe an orange card.

Not seen the simons red yet
 
ladbroke8745 said:
This could be an interesting thread.

Love to know how either R or AR on that side failed to detect that being a red without needing VAR.

How has Romero not been given a straight red (despite it being a 2nd yellow) for a blatant kick out).

Bentancur, would you be considering more than a yellow for that?
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Have only seen the Romero 2nd yellow..lacks force/brutality and was petulance. 2nd yellow felt correct.
 
JamesL said:
Have only seen the Romero 2nd yellow..lacks force/brutality and was petulance. 2nd yellow felt correct.
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It was like watching petulant/childish teenagers for much of the 2nd half from both teams with Romero demonstrating zero leadership ability & deserved 2 yellows. I agree with you concerning his 2nd yellow & he could be in further trouble with his comments towards 4th official Taylor as he made his way off the pitch towards the tunnel. I thought John Brooks did very well throughout.
 
I really do like John Brooks and thoroughly believe he is one of the best that we have at the moment, not sure thats a massive achievement considering some of the pool - as in he's one of the youngest and quality wise too.

Was slightly suprised the Simons challenge wasn't given a red in real-time but those are always difficult ones to give tbf
 
Don't think the Xavi Simons one was easy to see real time, but it was a definite red card and a good use of VAR. Romero was just a petulant flick out, there was nothing of brutality or violence about it, so I'd say a second yellow was correct.
 
RustyRef said:
Don't think the Xavi Simons one was easy to see real time, but it was a definite red card and a good use of VAR. Romero was just a petulant flick out, there was nothing of brutality or violence about it, so I'd say a second yellow was correct.
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Though David Beckham was sent off for such a similar petulant flick out in a World Cup & was sent off & the rest is history as the saying goes. However, I think that was an over-reaction from the Referee & today’s 2nd yellow for Romero was appropriate.
 
No idea how anyone who has played the game can think Simons is a red but lets assume it is.
I will see 30 similar tackles this season that won't be given a RC.
 
DavidObs said:
Though David Beckham was sent off for such a similar petulant flick out in a World Cup & was sent off & the rest is history as the saying goes. However, I think that was an over-reaction from the Referee & today’s 2nd yellow for Romero was appropriate.
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I think at the time it was what was expected by the powers that be. That has changed. Today, DB would have been cautioned.
 
deusex said:
No idea how anyone who has played the game can think Simons is a red but lets assume it is.
I will see 30 similar tackles this season that won't be given a RC.
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If outside the confines of VAR I suspect you will be right, but with VAR, I also suspect that many will be a RC. Only time will tell.
 
deusex said:
No idea how anyone who has played the game can think Simons is a red but lets assume it is.
I will see 30 similar tackles this season that won't be given a RC.
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I played the game, it is a horrible tackle and clear red card. Nowhere near the ball, studs high on leg, a lot of force, it ticks all boxes.

You say it is a lack of football knowledge, but in that case why did all the pundits agree it was a red card? The commentator, Gary Neville, Jamie Redknapp and Daniel Sturridge all said it was a red card, there’s a lot of professional football experience between them.
 
RustyRef said:
I played the game, it is a horrible tackle and clear red card. Nowhere near the ball, studs high on leg, a lot of force, it ticks all boxes.

You say it is a lack of football knowledge, but in that case why did all the pundits agree it was a red card? The commentator, Gary Neville, Jamie Redknapp and Daniel Sturridge all said it was a red card, there’s a lot of professional football experience between them.
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I put it firmly under "ouch - but it happens". It doesn't have that stamping down look that would make me think it deliberate.
I think he's legitametly gone for the ball and totally f***ed it up.

I admit I can't find any pros defending Simons. Maybe I'm a few years behind on the the curve of SFP tolerance.
 
deusex said:
I put it firmly under "ouch - but it happens". It doesn't have that stamping down look that would make me think it deliberate.
I think he's legitametly gone for the ball and totally f***ed it up.

I admit I can't find any pros defending Simons. Maybe I'm a few years behind on the the curve of SFP tolerance.
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I don’t think there will be many who consider Simons did it deliberately or with malice, but it happened in the way that it did.
 
One other card potentially missed, though apparently checked, was Richarlison after scoring.. he literally had his hands around his opponents neck.
 
RustyRef said:
I played the game, it is a horrible tackle and clear red card. Nowhere near the ball, studs high on leg, a lot of force, it ticks all boxes.

You say it is a lack of football knowledge, but in that case why did all the pundits agree it was a red card? The commentator, Gary Neville, Jamie Redknapp and Daniel Sturridge all said it was a red card, there’s a lot of professional football experience between them.
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Agreed.

Very similar to the challenge that Anthony Gordon made and was sent off for on (ironically) the same Liverpool player earlier in the season. ;)
 
I actually think Neville made a valid point that because of Van Dijk size then the challenge may not look as severe but regardless it's a red card type of a challenge that should not occur in the game.

The Gordon one was covered by Sky as a comparison and that had alot more speed and force(how on earth the officials thought that was a yellow is quite concerning) so I do have some sympathy for the referee in this one in terms of it has less speed so did not look severe but point of contact has to be taken into consideration surely.
 
deusex said:
I put it firmly under "ouch - but it happens". It doesn't have that stamping down look that would make me think it deliberate.
I think he's legitametly gone for the ball and totally f***ed it up.

I admit I can't find any pros defending Simons. Maybe I'm a few years behind on the the curve of SFP tolerance.
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I know a referee coach whose advice for determining sanction is “Give a red card if it makes you go ouch”. Studs to the Achilles with a moderate degree of force clearly endangers the safety of the opponent. Exacerbated by the fact the player is very late and has no chance to fairly play the ball.

I can totally understand how it’s missed on field, looked like a typical slide tackle to me live.

Free kick coming out for the second Liverpool goal would be safer.
 
Kes said:
Agreed.

Very similar to the challenge that Anthony Gordon made and was sent off for on (ironically) the same Liverpool player earlier in the season. ;)
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That Gordon one is orders of magnitude worse. The contact point is the only similarity (well, and VVD )
 
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