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There's no VAR in quadruple.

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JamesL

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#22
VAR is ****e (in the way it's currently implemented)

Have thought that since day one and nothing will make me change that point of view
Can't argue with the end result it produced last night. Although Aguero being off by mm may seem harsh, he was factually off.
But I am with you on that the current implementation of it is less than desirable.
 

es1

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#23
Can't argue with the end result it produced last night. Although Aguero being off by mm may seem harsh, he was factually off.
But I am with you on that the current implementation of it is less than desirable.
No doubt it got both decisions right. Just our luck last year, if we'd had VAR we might have gone through and next year with the law changes their 3rd wouldn't have stood.

Just takes so much of the instant joy out if celebrating any goal, let alone one like last night.

As it's implemented across the PL many teams will experience something similar to what we did last night and it'll take all joy out of celebrating any big goal as we anxiously wait to see if VAR allows it.

Been to 4 or 5 games with it now, but Hate it hate it hate it
 
#24
No doubt it got both decisions right. Just our luck last year, if we'd had VAR we might have gone through and next year with the law changes their 3rd wouldn't have stood.

Just takes so much of the instant joy out if celebrating any goal, let alone one like last night.

As it's implemented across the PL many teams will experience something similar to what we did last night and it'll take all joy out of celebrating any big goal as we anxiously wait to see if VAR allows it.

Been to 4 or 5 games with it now, but Hate it hate it hate it
100% agree with you ... think we are heading down a slippery slope where the consequences in terms of game enjoyment outweigh the benefits of an improved % of correct decisions.

And I say this despite being a Tottenham fan with a hangover and no voice this morning ..... :D
 

es1

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#25
100% agree with you ... think we are heading down a slippery slope where the consequences in terms of game enjoyment outweigh the benefits of an improved % of correct decisions.

And I say this despite being a Tottenham fan with a hangover and no voice this morning ..... :D
On my way down to London for a 6 hour meeting...I can't speak, last night took it all out of me. Might treat myself to a few beers on the train back. Long weekend can't come soon enough
 
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On my way down to London for a 6 hour meeting...I can't speak, last night took it all out of me. Might treat myself to a few beers on the train back. Long weekend can't come soon enough
I sense there might be a few "VAR" signs offered by the Spurs fans to the City fans at the EPL game this weekend ..... :rolleyes:. Safe travels and enjoy (most of) the weekend!!
 

one

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#29
VAR is brilliant when it gets it right quickly. When it takes a long time it becomes a farce but still OK. But when it gets it wrong, used when it shouldn't be or not used when it should be, it's nothing short of disaster. You can accept a real time referee decision with one view, normal speed and almost instantaneous decision. But when you have time and technology to use and still get it wrong, it becomes a problem. Last nights VAR decisions converted a few no-VAR fans but it only take one bad decision to stuff up all the good works.

Interesting then the TV's now don't show any replays while the check is happening and only when review is in progress. We used to get replays during check as well.

You haven't seen the right angle then, it does hit his arm then thigh
Possibly. All the angles I saw suggested the ball hit his hip.
 

GraemeS

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VAR is brilliant when it gets it right quickly. When it takes a long time it becomes a farce but still OK. But when it gets it wrong, used when it shouldn't be or not used when it should be, it's nothing short of disaster. You can accept a real time referee decision with one view, normal speed and almost instantaneous decision. But when you have time and technology to use and still get it wrong, it becomes a problem. Last nights VAR decisions converted a few no-VAR fans but it only take one bad decision to stuff up all the good works.

Interesting then the TV's now don't show any replays while the check is happening and only when review is in progress. We used to get replays during check as well.


Possibly. All the angles I saw suggested the ball hit his hip.
Well done if you can. But VAR exists because pundits, players, managers, the media and a significant portion of fans on social meida have all repeatedly shown that they cannot accept that.
 

Big Cat

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#31
So I watched part of both games last night before hearing the final minutes of the City Spurs game on National Radio. I felt incensed by the histrionics of match officials taking centre stage on tv and the loss of spontaneity in the game (which has always been key to the excitement of football). My comments blaming the younger generation were somewhat misplaced (apologies for that) because VAR principally exists due to the financial consequences of referees' decisions
Pleasantly surprised to read through the rest of the thread to see comments that I broadly agree with throughout. I'm generally a scientist with regards to academia, personal interests and profession to some extent, but I think it's wrong to muddle sport with this binary demand for fairness when the cost to game hugely outweighs the benefit
I was cheering on Spurs last night as I have friends who are fans, but I didn't want them to win in the manner that they did
 
#32
So I watched part of both games last night before hearing the final minutes of the City Spurs game on National Radio. I felt incensed by the histrionics of match officials taking centre stage on tv and the loss of spontaneity in the game (which has always been key to the excitement of football). My comments blaming the younger generation were somewhat misplaced (apologies for that) because VAR principally exists due to the financial consequences of referees' decisions
Pleasantly surprised to read through the rest of the thread to see comments that I broadly agree with throughout. I'm generally a scientist with regards to academia, personal interests and profession to some extent, but I think it's wrong to muddle sport with this binary demand for fairness when the cost to game hugely outweighs the benefit
I was cheering on Spurs last night as I have friends who are fans, but I didn't want them to win in the manner that they did
Subconsciously, or maybe not, officials give favourable decisions to the ‘media teams’...if VAR was in place this season Liverpool wouldn’t be top, they probably wouldn’t even be close. Not sure what the count is up to but they’ve had several offside goals allowed & numerous penalties awarded as a result of simulation (none retrospectively punished interestingly).

You’ve also got the PL chief executive commenting on how it would be better if teams “got closer” to city this season. Co-incidence that Liverpool are getting more than their fair share of ‘luck’ in regards to decisions? Ciley eluded to authorities pushing officials to consider their decisions if they’re not in favour of certain sides. I’m not naive enough to believe it wouldn’t happen at PL level, where the £ is the main focus...the media don’t hide their bias. It’s not an impartial sport.

For these reasons alone we need VAR. I’m going to be honest it’ll rip out a part of the soul of football...there’s probably no point in celebrating goals anymore, you might as well wait until VAR is checked. But I’d sooner have that with a fairer game as opposed to certain sides getting as much help as possible because it’d be good for the PL brand.
 

Big Cat

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#33
officials give favourable decisions to the ‘media teams’
Whilst I think this trend is true, my view is that any bias is subconscious and more subtle than you put it. Bias is a whole different discussion anyway
There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that EPL and EFL referees are intentionally biased towards one team or tother
t’ll rip out a part of the soul of football
I’d sooner have that with a fairer game
I see these statements as irreconcilable
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#35
@one fyi

Check out @Atishay_Agarwal’s Tweet:
Definitely hits the arm, still think it's a goal mind
Agreed. It hits his arm but it's still not intentional. It's a goal from whatever angle you look at it. Not that it's the ref's fault, but it doesn't look good when footage like this comes out after the referee has signalled to everyone that it's come off his thigh
 

Ciley Myrus

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#37
Agreed. It hits his arm but it's still not intentional. It's a goal from whatever angle you look at it. Not that it's the ref's fault, but it doesn't look good when footage like this comes out after the referee has signalled to everyone that it's come off his thigh

Exactly, and its why we at pleb level should not point to the ball to indicate a fair tackle or explain things on the park

Its just setting yourself up for a fall
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#38
Subconsciously, or maybe not, officials give favourable decisions to the ‘media teams’...if VAR was in place this season Liverpool wouldn’t be top, they probably wouldn’t even be close. Not sure what the count is up to but they’ve had several offside goals allowed & numerous penalties awarded as a result of simulation (none retrospectively punished interestingly).
I disagree. I think it was @JamesL who made the excellent point in another post that teams like Liverpool/City etc create chance after chance in every game they play and probability dictates that the referee/AR will miss something in that time. Whereas your smaller clubs who create 1/2 big chances in a match against the top clubs might get caught out being offside or diving in their small amount of chances, thus giving the perception of bias when that really isn't the case. It's the probability of human error.
 

Big Cat

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Agreed. It hits his arm but it's still not intentional. It's a goal from whatever angle you look at it. Not that it's the ref's fault, but it doesn't look good when footage like this comes out after the referee has signalled to everyone that it's come off his thigh
Given that UEFA officials are already applying Laws which are not in effect yet, I expected this goal to be chalked off
This exact replay was broadcast to viewers whilst we waited for the officials to take up centre stage
 

JamesL

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I disagree. I think it was @JamesL who made the excellent point in another post that teams like Liverpool/City etc create chance after chance in every game they play and probability dictates that the referee/AR will miss something in that time. Whereas your smaller clubs who create 1/2 big chances in a match against the top clubs might get caught out being offside or diving in their small amount of chances, thus giving the perception of bias when that really isn't the case. It's the probability of human error.
@RefJef do you want to do some fandangle maths on your blog (if you're still doing it) to corroborate my theory.
 
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