The Keeping The Laws Of The Game Fresh In Our Minds Summer Competition! Week 1!
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@Supermonkey when will the results for Week 1 be up. I know that I'll win, I'd just like conformation 
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SM
The avuncular one
@HullRef lol hold your horses my young friend... you have to give the judge(s) a chance to cast their eye on the answers first and pick a winner! I am toying with the idea of not revealing the winners until the end of the run.... keep you guessing!
Would probably help if I actually posted up the entries....
Would probably help if I actually posted up the entries....
SM
The avuncular one
Week 1 - The Entries!!! 14 Entries received and posted below:
Please can I remind all to not reveal which entry is yours. The judge(s) will be invited to cast their wisdom fueled eyes over the answers in the next few days and pick their first three placings entries (also known as the best 3!). Revealing which entry is yours is begging for a disqualification from this weeks question.
However, while the judge(s) warm up their judging glands ( ) please feel free to critique and discuss the answers given.
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Entry 1:
Going by the play I would be looking for a signal from my AR for a foul, if there is no signal and as mentioned I do not think it is a foul the goal is awarded - my view could also be obstructed so a flag from the AR would be helpful if there was a foul.
As for the clear OFFINABUS from the yellow player in a standard match situation it would be an obvious red card, however with the game being a friendly using common sense (Law 18) I would be looking for a substitute to replace the player and possibly agree with the bench to prohibit the player re-entering the field for 10-15 minutes to allow time to cool down and regain his head. If the player then re-enters the field a strong warning about what he says may be appropriate and if the player re-offends he then gets red carded for OFFINABUS.
The captains would be talked to after the incident before play restarts to inform them that no further language like that would be tolerated and any further OFFINABUS would result in a straight red regardless.
Entry 2:
My answer:
· Observations around the scenario? - it's 13-0 in a friendly match between a group of veterans. there's really no need to stir up the situation or to have anyone suspended for the start of the next league campaign.
· What would you be looking for? - the scenario tells me there has been no foul, but i would glance at my NAR for confirmation
· What actions would you be taking? - i would award the goal and politely explain to the player that he's old enough to know better, and if he wouldn't mind speaking to me with a little bit more respect, as he would prefer to be spoken to!
· Which laws support your answer (including law 18 if required...)? law 18
· How to proceed? - kick off yellow
· How would you approach the match after the incident? - i would continue to apply law 18, but i would also have a quiet word with the yellow captain in passing. i would ask him to ensure that his team plays in the appropriate manner.
Entry 3:
red card for offinabus to yellow player - ensure that he leaves the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area if there is one (as per law 12)
restart after sending off is a kick off to yellows
other observations
referee clearly didn't see it cos he was looking the wrong way...and why he had his red card in his hand is anyone's guess
neutral assistants are noticeable by their absence - otherwise you could perhaps have had a word with the assistant on the far side to see if he had seen anything untoward.
did you check with your county f.a. to find out whether or not the game had been sanctioned by them to ensure that your insurance would be valid in the event of personal injury, theft of equipment, etc.
only 8 players on the pitch - (law 3) 'a match may not start if either team consists of fewer than seven players (unless, of course, it was a small sided game)
there are no corner arcs and there would appear to be no corner flags (law 1)
the goalkeeper would appear to be wearing a cloak of invisibility when we join the action which should almost certainly be considered dangerous to either himself or another player (law 4). when the referee notices this he should ask him to leave the field of play to correct his equipment tho, clearly, if the player does not comply, there would be the added problem of not knowing if the player had re-entered the field of play or not
Entry 4:
First off i would allow the goal as i have seen nothing wrong with the scoring of it. However because the language used by the player in my opinion would be offensive I would immediately call the captain and player over and inform them that the player was going to be dismissed for OFFINABUS in accordance with law 12 , take his name and show him the red card. After the incident i would continue to referee as i had done before but remain alert to what players are saying to each other and to me aswell as their actions.
Entry 5:
Yellow player would be sent off for OFFINABUS, personally I would choose to consult the NAR to see of he had a clear view of any "push" as the NAR would have a view from directly behind the incident, if they also saw nothing award the goal and restart with kick off. If they saw something that constituted am offence then award a free kick to yellow. Whichever restart is required, yellow player is still sent off for OFFINABUS.
Entry 6:
Firstly, I would like to say that the game should not go ahead, as each team doesn't have the required 7 players!
I would like to give 2 answers to this question if possible? The first, which would be correct in law and also a preventative method which I would have adopted to try and eliminate this from happening in the first place!
Answer 1: As described by yourself in the GIF (very impressed, I must say), the player undoubtedly has used OFFINABUS (offensive, insulting or abusive language, Law 12) and therefore must be sent off from the field of play. However, I would also ensure that my assistant is happy with the goal (signalled by his/her movement toward the halfway line). If they were not, I would still dismiss the player who used the profanities and would then disallow the goal for a push.
Answer 2: Pretty similar as above, however, with this answer I would like to look at a way to avoid the current situation occurring (something which I would've already done). Upon giving the goal, I would then hastily make my way to the half way line while checking the assistant is following my lead and moving with me. I would slightly curve my run, to position myself in front of my assistant so that he would have to run (pretty quickly) over to us, which is never a good idea and would warrant a yellow card for dissent even if nothing was said! If the player did decide to still shout the abuse from 30 yards away, it would be very apparent to his team mates and any spectators as to why he has been dismissed and would help the match control no-end - making him look like the numpty.
After this incident, the match would become a lot 'tighter' for me personally. I would keep blowing for each and every small petty foul, ensuring the game slows down. Little comments would be followed by a long conversation from myself and would ensure the captain knows that this would happen every time someone said a word (of course mainly towards to yellow team, as they appear (from the scenario) to be causing the most problems!).
After the incident had cooled down and they player had been suitably removed to the changing room (would not have them sitting on the sidelines after something like that!), I would then begin play (if I had awarded the goal) with the kick-off from the centre mark. If I had disallowed the goal at the advice of my assistant, then I would restart play with a direct free kick from where the incident occurred.
Please can I remind all to not reveal which entry is yours. The judge(s) will be invited to cast their wisdom fueled eyes over the answers in the next few days and pick their first three placings entries (also known as the best 3!). Revealing which entry is yours is begging for a disqualification from this weeks question.
However, while the judge(s) warm up their judging glands (
) please feel free to critique and discuss the answers given.-------------------------------------------------
Entry 1:
Going by the play I would be looking for a signal from my AR for a foul, if there is no signal and as mentioned I do not think it is a foul the goal is awarded - my view could also be obstructed so a flag from the AR would be helpful if there was a foul.
As for the clear OFFINABUS from the yellow player in a standard match situation it would be an obvious red card, however with the game being a friendly using common sense (Law 18) I would be looking for a substitute to replace the player and possibly agree with the bench to prohibit the player re-entering the field for 10-15 minutes to allow time to cool down and regain his head. If the player then re-enters the field a strong warning about what he says may be appropriate and if the player re-offends he then gets red carded for OFFINABUS.
The captains would be talked to after the incident before play restarts to inform them that no further language like that would be tolerated and any further OFFINABUS would result in a straight red regardless.
Entry 2:
My answer:
· Observations around the scenario? - it's 13-0 in a friendly match between a group of veterans. there's really no need to stir up the situation or to have anyone suspended for the start of the next league campaign.
· What would you be looking for? - the scenario tells me there has been no foul, but i would glance at my NAR for confirmation
· What actions would you be taking? - i would award the goal and politely explain to the player that he's old enough to know better, and if he wouldn't mind speaking to me with a little bit more respect, as he would prefer to be spoken to!
· Which laws support your answer (including law 18 if required...)? law 18
· How to proceed? - kick off yellow
· How would you approach the match after the incident? - i would continue to apply law 18, but i would also have a quiet word with the yellow captain in passing. i would ask him to ensure that his team plays in the appropriate manner.
Entry 3:
red card for offinabus to yellow player - ensure that he leaves the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area if there is one (as per law 12)
restart after sending off is a kick off to yellows
other observations
referee clearly didn't see it cos he was looking the wrong way...and why he had his red card in his hand is anyone's guess
neutral assistants are noticeable by their absence - otherwise you could perhaps have had a word with the assistant on the far side to see if he had seen anything untoward.
did you check with your county f.a. to find out whether or not the game had been sanctioned by them to ensure that your insurance would be valid in the event of personal injury, theft of equipment, etc.
only 8 players on the pitch - (law 3) 'a match may not start if either team consists of fewer than seven players (unless, of course, it was a small sided game)
there are no corner arcs and there would appear to be no corner flags (law 1)
the goalkeeper would appear to be wearing a cloak of invisibility when we join the action which should almost certainly be considered dangerous to either himself or another player (law 4). when the referee notices this he should ask him to leave the field of play to correct his equipment tho, clearly, if the player does not comply, there would be the added problem of not knowing if the player had re-entered the field of play or not
Entry 4:
First off i would allow the goal as i have seen nothing wrong with the scoring of it. However because the language used by the player in my opinion would be offensive I would immediately call the captain and player over and inform them that the player was going to be dismissed for OFFINABUS in accordance with law 12 , take his name and show him the red card. After the incident i would continue to referee as i had done before but remain alert to what players are saying to each other and to me aswell as their actions.
Entry 5:
Yellow player would be sent off for OFFINABUS, personally I would choose to consult the NAR to see of he had a clear view of any "push" as the NAR would have a view from directly behind the incident, if they also saw nothing award the goal and restart with kick off. If they saw something that constituted am offence then award a free kick to yellow. Whichever restart is required, yellow player is still sent off for OFFINABUS.
Entry 6:
Firstly, I would like to say that the game should not go ahead, as each team doesn't have the required 7 players!
I would like to give 2 answers to this question if possible? The first, which would be correct in law and also a preventative method which I would have adopted to try and eliminate this from happening in the first place!
Answer 1: As described by yourself in the GIF (very impressed, I must say), the player undoubtedly has used OFFINABUS (offensive, insulting or abusive language, Law 12) and therefore must be sent off from the field of play. However, I would also ensure that my assistant is happy with the goal (signalled by his/her movement toward the halfway line). If they were not, I would still dismiss the player who used the profanities and would then disallow the goal for a push.
Answer 2: Pretty similar as above, however, with this answer I would like to look at a way to avoid the current situation occurring (something which I would've already done). Upon giving the goal, I would then hastily make my way to the half way line while checking the assistant is following my lead and moving with me. I would slightly curve my run, to position myself in front of my assistant so that he would have to run (pretty quickly) over to us, which is never a good idea and would warrant a yellow card for dissent even if nothing was said! If the player did decide to still shout the abuse from 30 yards away, it would be very apparent to his team mates and any spectators as to why he has been dismissed and would help the match control no-end - making him look like the numpty.
After this incident, the match would become a lot 'tighter' for me personally. I would keep blowing for each and every small petty foul, ensuring the game slows down. Little comments would be followed by a long conversation from myself and would ensure the captain knows that this would happen every time someone said a word (of course mainly towards to yellow team, as they appear (from the scenario) to be causing the most problems!).
After the incident had cooled down and they player had been suitably removed to the changing room (would not have them sitting on the sidelines after something like that!), I would then begin play (if I had awarded the goal) with the kick-off from the centre mark. If I had disallowed the goal at the advice of my assistant, then I would restart play with a direct free kick from where the incident occurred.
SM
The avuncular one
Entry 7:
I would deal with this situation in the following way:
In my opinion this scenario is simple offinabus. However the first comment I would make is that no matter how hard these players were to deal with in a previous game, you can't prejudge them and give them a hard time because of it. This is a completely new game, for all you know they may have learnt their lesson.
Moving on to the main incident, I would award the goal as I have seen nothing that could prompt me to disallow it. I would then walk away and record the goal in my match pad. However, I would make sure that I had my match pad up and could see all the players in case the goal had any negative repercussions, which in this case it did. As for the player running toward me, I would make an initial attempt to calm him down before trying to deal with him. I would keep both my body language and voice calm and relaxed as being confrontational would lead to the player getting angrier and a shouting match would ensue. Hopefully my aurora of calmness will radiate back to the player. When he has finished his outburst and calmed down, I will show him a red card before explaining that he has used offinabus towards me and taking his name. I will be mindful of any reactions that players of either team could have to the red card.
After the player has left the field, I will look to tighten up my match control. I will blow up for smaller fouls for the next 5-10 minutes in an attempt to rein the game in. I will explain to players who have further problems that it is only a friendly and nothing is really at stake. I will see how this approach goes with a view to possibly changing my match control style as the game calms down and develops.
Entry 8:
My attempt:
Firstly, due to the player’s protest, I would go over to the NAR on that side and ask him if he saw a push. If he did, I would go with his decision and give a free kick (Law 12, fouls and misconduct). If not, I would award the goal. As it is a friendly, I am inclined to referee it in a slightly different way than I would do a normal game. And in the same way, I am inclined to referee a post-season friendly in a slightly different way to a pre-season friendly.
Once the reds had scored this goal and the yellow player had spoken to me, I would immediately call a water break, in an attempt to slow the game down and take some of the heat out of the situation (Law 18). I would then speak to the offending player and inform him that had it been a competitive league game, I would have sent him from the field of play for OFFINABUS (Law 12).
Due to the fact that roll-on roll-off substitutes are being played, I would ask for the player to be substituted until he had calmed down sufficiently that I could allow him back on to the pitch. If the yellow team asked me to abandon the match due to the scoreline and the player behaviour, I would as long as the red team agreed also.
If the game continued after the incident, I would take a much harsher approach to refereeing the match. I may also report the team to the County FA regarding their match behaviour.
Entry 9:
Here is my answer for the week 1 thread:
Observations around the situation
Firstly, it should be considered that this is not only just a friendly game but also a novelty match between over 35 players, which is a group of players where concessions may be made for in LotG as per page 3 of the book. This game is also a non-competitive, non-incentivised match and therefore your job should be to ensure that the match is played in a sporting and enjoyable manner in a recreational environment for those involved. It can also be noted that due to the nature of the match you are under no obligation to play the legislated 90 minutes as there may be agreement reached on behalf of both teams to stop the game early for any reason which may include but not be limited to: the scoreline, player injuries, player fatigue, adverse weather etc.
What to look for
As you have neutral assistants for this game, as soon as the ball has entered the goal and you are happy for the goal to be allowed you should check the assistant's signal. If he runs towards the half way line then he is happy to award a goal, however, in the incident shown by the image, there may be suitable scope for the assistant to give judge that the attacker had in fact fouled the defender as the incident occurred near to the assistant's diagonal which gives him/her a credible viewpoint on the incident.
Action to take & laws supporting
The main priority of the incident is the player who has spoken to you. Regardless of whether or not the goal is being awarded in this situation, his words go further than the decision itself and are of a deeply personal and offensively insulting nature and satisfy the requirements of Offensive Insulting Abusive language as per law 12. Without question this player should be sent off and ordered to leave the field of play and immediate surrounds.
Attention then turns to the assistant, under law 6, he may have seen a foul which was out of your view and therefore signal for a free kick to e defending team. He may also hold the same opinion as you as run towards the half way line to signal a goal.
Restart
Depending on the assistant: direct free kick to defending team if he has signalled for a foul out with your view OR award a goal and restart with kick-off to the yellow team after the player sent off has left the field of play and immediate surrounds.
Approach for the rest of the game
Care should be taken to ensure that the recreational atmosphere of the match is maintained. For this reason you should ensure that you use the various concessions in the LotG to your advantage to calm the situation down (e.g water breaks, rolling substitutions for players who are becoming frustrated etc) The worst thing to let happen is to allow the game to continue in a way where frustration takes over for the losing team and they begin to endanger the safety of the opposing players or endangering or threatening your safety and authority in the match. For this reason, under law 5 p.24, the referee may abandon the match due to infringements of the laws of the game, if the protection of the players or referee is in danger.
Ultimately the sporting and recreational nature of the match played should always be observed, and any threats to this following the incident should drive the consideration that the match may be abandoned. In the event that infringements of a serious nature cause the match to be abandoned, this should be reported to the body responsible for organising the match for future consideration.
I would deal with this situation in the following way:
In my opinion this scenario is simple offinabus. However the first comment I would make is that no matter how hard these players were to deal with in a previous game, you can't prejudge them and give them a hard time because of it. This is a completely new game, for all you know they may have learnt their lesson.
Moving on to the main incident, I would award the goal as I have seen nothing that could prompt me to disallow it. I would then walk away and record the goal in my match pad. However, I would make sure that I had my match pad up and could see all the players in case the goal had any negative repercussions, which in this case it did. As for the player running toward me, I would make an initial attempt to calm him down before trying to deal with him. I would keep both my body language and voice calm and relaxed as being confrontational would lead to the player getting angrier and a shouting match would ensue. Hopefully my aurora of calmness will radiate back to the player. When he has finished his outburst and calmed down, I will show him a red card before explaining that he has used offinabus towards me and taking his name. I will be mindful of any reactions that players of either team could have to the red card.
After the player has left the field, I will look to tighten up my match control. I will blow up for smaller fouls for the next 5-10 minutes in an attempt to rein the game in. I will explain to players who have further problems that it is only a friendly and nothing is really at stake. I will see how this approach goes with a view to possibly changing my match control style as the game calms down and develops.
Entry 8:
My attempt:
Firstly, due to the player’s protest, I would go over to the NAR on that side and ask him if he saw a push. If he did, I would go with his decision and give a free kick (Law 12, fouls and misconduct). If not, I would award the goal. As it is a friendly, I am inclined to referee it in a slightly different way than I would do a normal game. And in the same way, I am inclined to referee a post-season friendly in a slightly different way to a pre-season friendly.
Once the reds had scored this goal and the yellow player had spoken to me, I would immediately call a water break, in an attempt to slow the game down and take some of the heat out of the situation (Law 18). I would then speak to the offending player and inform him that had it been a competitive league game, I would have sent him from the field of play for OFFINABUS (Law 12).
Due to the fact that roll-on roll-off substitutes are being played, I would ask for the player to be substituted until he had calmed down sufficiently that I could allow him back on to the pitch. If the yellow team asked me to abandon the match due to the scoreline and the player behaviour, I would as long as the red team agreed also.
If the game continued after the incident, I would take a much harsher approach to refereeing the match. I may also report the team to the County FA regarding their match behaviour.
Entry 9:
Here is my answer for the week 1 thread:
Observations around the situation
Firstly, it should be considered that this is not only just a friendly game but also a novelty match between over 35 players, which is a group of players where concessions may be made for in LotG as per page 3 of the book. This game is also a non-competitive, non-incentivised match and therefore your job should be to ensure that the match is played in a sporting and enjoyable manner in a recreational environment for those involved. It can also be noted that due to the nature of the match you are under no obligation to play the legislated 90 minutes as there may be agreement reached on behalf of both teams to stop the game early for any reason which may include but not be limited to: the scoreline, player injuries, player fatigue, adverse weather etc.
What to look for
As you have neutral assistants for this game, as soon as the ball has entered the goal and you are happy for the goal to be allowed you should check the assistant's signal. If he runs towards the half way line then he is happy to award a goal, however, in the incident shown by the image, there may be suitable scope for the assistant to give judge that the attacker had in fact fouled the defender as the incident occurred near to the assistant's diagonal which gives him/her a credible viewpoint on the incident.
Action to take & laws supporting
The main priority of the incident is the player who has spoken to you. Regardless of whether or not the goal is being awarded in this situation, his words go further than the decision itself and are of a deeply personal and offensively insulting nature and satisfy the requirements of Offensive Insulting Abusive language as per law 12. Without question this player should be sent off and ordered to leave the field of play and immediate surrounds.
Attention then turns to the assistant, under law 6, he may have seen a foul which was out of your view and therefore signal for a free kick to e defending team. He may also hold the same opinion as you as run towards the half way line to signal a goal.
Restart
Depending on the assistant: direct free kick to defending team if he has signalled for a foul out with your view OR award a goal and restart with kick-off to the yellow team after the player sent off has left the field of play and immediate surrounds.
Approach for the rest of the game
Care should be taken to ensure that the recreational atmosphere of the match is maintained. For this reason you should ensure that you use the various concessions in the LotG to your advantage to calm the situation down (e.g water breaks, rolling substitutions for players who are becoming frustrated etc) The worst thing to let happen is to allow the game to continue in a way where frustration takes over for the losing team and they begin to endanger the safety of the opposing players or endangering or threatening your safety and authority in the match. For this reason, under law 5 p.24, the referee may abandon the match due to infringements of the laws of the game, if the protection of the players or referee is in danger.
Ultimately the sporting and recreational nature of the match played should always be observed, and any threats to this following the incident should drive the consideration that the match may be abandoned. In the event that infringements of a serious nature cause the match to be abandoned, this should be reported to the body responsible for organising the match for future consideration.
SM
The avuncular one
Entry 10:
As a referee you need to make sure that you go into the game with a fresh mind and therefore you can take into account the past experience of when you last officiated them. This also means that even though they maybe older players and the game is a friendly,this will also not affect any decision that will be made during the game.
Even though you should not take into account the incidents that occurred in the past match, you will be able to use the experience of refereeing the game to your advantage for this game. This means from the past game and the duration of the first half, you would be able to pick up on whether the two teams are committing a number of fouls and whether any of the teams have been pushing much during the game.
As in this incident the referee has got the advantage of the two neutral assistant referees, the best course of action would be to see whether the assistant referee saw a foul committed, however if this was the case the assistant should have gain the referees attention. Under law 5 of the LOTG it states The Referee 'controls the match in cooperation with the assistant referees and, where applicable, with the fourth official' This means that the referee can only deal with information that therefore cannot guess if a foul was committed. As in this case the referee did not see the foul (Unless the assistant referee saw otherwise) the referee would be correct to award the goal.
Before discussing the match incident with the assistant referee, the referee needs to deal with the yellow player that is shouting abuse about the incident. The correct course of action Under law 12, the yellow player should be show the red card and dismissed from the Field of play for 'Using Offensive, Insulting or abuse language or gestures'
After all of these the game will be restarted with Kick off to the yellow team after the awarded goal. After the game all reports will be sent of including the ref card offence which needs to be reported to the relevant FA.
Entry 11:
I like to be as pro active as I can when refereeing and so I think that the following solution is best for me personally
1.) When I get to the match I would brief my NAR's, including the fact that I had trouble with some of the players before, telling them to keep an extra eye out for any trouble that might arise, also putting extra emphasis on what I want each official to do in the event of a mass brawl or confrontation
2.) I would have a word with the captains of both teams ( but mainly with the one that I had trouble with before and explain that I won't put up with anything like that again, it is a friendly and so shouldn't be a hyper active game. I would also ask for their help in controlling their players before they do anything stupid. What happened in the past is in the past and the game now is all I am bothered about).
3.) I would then be very pro active throughout the game making sure that any sort of dissent is swiftly dealt with, using the captains if necessary or going for cards, depending on the frequency and the severity of the dissent. I would make sure to pick out any from the red team as well, showing that I am consistent and therefore giving credibility to my decisions.
4.) For the incident in question I would try to get the player to shut up quickly (ie. sharp blow of whistle) if he continues, I would go straight for red for OFFINABUS. It is a prime example of OFFINABUS and is something I don't tolerate on the FOP. It wasn't dissent IMO because he carried on with his argument and made reference to the previous game. I don't like giving cards out anyway especially in friendlies but for something this severe I would have to.
5.) I would also send the relevant reports into the CFA and help them with their disciplinary enquiry. It is something that needs to be dealt with and his punishment for the previous incident obviously wasn't good enough. Players need to know that they can't say what they like just because it's friendly, and my relationship with the player/s couldn't get any worse for with this team so I have nothing to lose IMO by putting the reports in.
Entry 12:
In my opinion as the referee, I have seen no reason to disallow the goal. The yellow player would immediately be called over to me in a area away from the rest of the players to ensure that I would not be surrounded or be subject to dissent from other players. I would inform the yellow player that he is being sent off and reported for OFFINABUS (law 12) and that he should leave the field of play and the immediate surroundings immediately.
Despite it being a friendly, the laws of the game should still be adhered to by both players and referees and his conduct is unacceptable and a red card is the only option. After he has let the FOP, I would then look over to my assistant referee to ensure that they have not flagged for any infringement which I did not see and the players were complaining about. With them being neutral I would take advice from them if they seen an incident and play would restart accordingly. Before the restart, I would then call over the captains of both teams and explain that I feel the game is not being played in the sporting manner it should be and explain that they should try to limit the misconduct of their team.
To avoid any tension or retaliation that may occur in the next few minutes, I would rarely play advantage except in cases of an obvious goal. I would hope this would settle the game to a level where football is being played before continuing on with the game as normal.
After the game I would be extra vigilant for any other OFFINABUS or other offences leaving the field. In the changing rooms I would speak with my assistants to see how we could have handled it differently both before and during the game and learn from this event.
Entry 13:
1. Quick look at the NAR to validate initial opinion that a good goal has been scored - hoping for a positive yes or no from the NAR
2. Referee has to do something - depends though on how the referee has dealt with the first half moaning
There's no such thing as a friendly, as the players (being idiotic as they often are) soon forget that there is no prize at the end of the game and will revert to type and start trying to kick lumps out of each other given half the chance!
Simple element is deal with the matter at hand, send the player off for OFFINABUS and restart at the kick off. It may be a good idea to speak with the captain if he is receptive to get him to take a lead in calming anything further from his colleagues.
However, prevention is better than cure so I would have sought to manage the tempo of the game to bring the rising tension down. Find some soft free kicks to award to the yellows when credible to do so to break play up and ensure that you keep the pan under control rather than let it reach boiling point and then explode.
The end.
As a referee you need to make sure that you go into the game with a fresh mind and therefore you can take into account the past experience of when you last officiated them. This also means that even though they maybe older players and the game is a friendly,this will also not affect any decision that will be made during the game.
Even though you should not take into account the incidents that occurred in the past match, you will be able to use the experience of refereeing the game to your advantage for this game. This means from the past game and the duration of the first half, you would be able to pick up on whether the two teams are committing a number of fouls and whether any of the teams have been pushing much during the game.
As in this incident the referee has got the advantage of the two neutral assistant referees, the best course of action would be to see whether the assistant referee saw a foul committed, however if this was the case the assistant should have gain the referees attention. Under law 5 of the LOTG it states The Referee 'controls the match in cooperation with the assistant referees and, where applicable, with the fourth official' This means that the referee can only deal with information that therefore cannot guess if a foul was committed. As in this case the referee did not see the foul (Unless the assistant referee saw otherwise) the referee would be correct to award the goal.
Before discussing the match incident with the assistant referee, the referee needs to deal with the yellow player that is shouting abuse about the incident. The correct course of action Under law 12, the yellow player should be show the red card and dismissed from the Field of play for 'Using Offensive, Insulting or abuse language or gestures'
After all of these the game will be restarted with Kick off to the yellow team after the awarded goal. After the game all reports will be sent of including the ref card offence which needs to be reported to the relevant FA.
Entry 11:
I like to be as pro active as I can when refereeing and so I think that the following solution is best for me personally
1.) When I get to the match I would brief my NAR's, including the fact that I had trouble with some of the players before, telling them to keep an extra eye out for any trouble that might arise, also putting extra emphasis on what I want each official to do in the event of a mass brawl or confrontation
2.) I would have a word with the captains of both teams ( but mainly with the one that I had trouble with before and explain that I won't put up with anything like that again, it is a friendly and so shouldn't be a hyper active game. I would also ask for their help in controlling their players before they do anything stupid. What happened in the past is in the past and the game now is all I am bothered about).
3.) I would then be very pro active throughout the game making sure that any sort of dissent is swiftly dealt with, using the captains if necessary or going for cards, depending on the frequency and the severity of the dissent. I would make sure to pick out any from the red team as well, showing that I am consistent and therefore giving credibility to my decisions.
4.) For the incident in question I would try to get the player to shut up quickly (ie. sharp blow of whistle) if he continues, I would go straight for red for OFFINABUS. It is a prime example of OFFINABUS and is something I don't tolerate on the FOP. It wasn't dissent IMO because he carried on with his argument and made reference to the previous game. I don't like giving cards out anyway especially in friendlies but for something this severe I would have to.
5.) I would also send the relevant reports into the CFA and help them with their disciplinary enquiry. It is something that needs to be dealt with and his punishment for the previous incident obviously wasn't good enough. Players need to know that they can't say what they like just because it's friendly, and my relationship with the player/s couldn't get any worse for with this team so I have nothing to lose IMO by putting the reports in.
Entry 12:
In my opinion as the referee, I have seen no reason to disallow the goal. The yellow player would immediately be called over to me in a area away from the rest of the players to ensure that I would not be surrounded or be subject to dissent from other players. I would inform the yellow player that he is being sent off and reported for OFFINABUS (law 12) and that he should leave the field of play and the immediate surroundings immediately.
Despite it being a friendly, the laws of the game should still be adhered to by both players and referees and his conduct is unacceptable and a red card is the only option. After he has let the FOP, I would then look over to my assistant referee to ensure that they have not flagged for any infringement which I did not see and the players were complaining about. With them being neutral I would take advice from them if they seen an incident and play would restart accordingly. Before the restart, I would then call over the captains of both teams and explain that I feel the game is not being played in the sporting manner it should be and explain that they should try to limit the misconduct of their team.
To avoid any tension or retaliation that may occur in the next few minutes, I would rarely play advantage except in cases of an obvious goal. I would hope this would settle the game to a level where football is being played before continuing on with the game as normal.
After the game I would be extra vigilant for any other OFFINABUS or other offences leaving the field. In the changing rooms I would speak with my assistants to see how we could have handled it differently both before and during the game and learn from this event.
Entry 13:
1. Quick look at the NAR to validate initial opinion that a good goal has been scored - hoping for a positive yes or no from the NAR
2. Referee has to do something - depends though on how the referee has dealt with the first half moaning
- If previous moans have been addressed through stepped approach - continue the approach to next step to a YELLOW CARD
- If previous moans have not been addressed - address it now with a YELLOW CARD
- Loud whistle to make your next action very public
- Pull player and captain to a neutral (quiet) part of the pitch
- Calm the player down
- Point out the difference between FRUSTRATION and DISSENT (making the moan personal is considered the latter)
- Caution the player - take your time - ensure everyone else has seen what you've done and what you won't tolerate
- Remind the player that he can continue to play in the game - or - watch the rest of it from a distance - choice is his - he can moan to his mates after the game with or without a suspension / larger fine
- Remind the captain how easy it is to use the Whole Game System to log misconduct and you’d be happy to show him after the game
There's no such thing as a friendly, as the players (being idiotic as they often are) soon forget that there is no prize at the end of the game and will revert to type and start trying to kick lumps out of each other given half the chance!
Simple element is deal with the matter at hand, send the player off for OFFINABUS and restart at the kick off. It may be a good idea to speak with the captain if he is receptive to get him to take a lead in calming anything further from his colleagues.
However, prevention is better than cure so I would have sought to manage the tempo of the game to bring the rising tension down. Find some soft free kicks to award to the yellows when credible to do so to break play up and ensure that you keep the pan under control rather than let it reach boiling point and then explode.
The end.
micky2001
Well-Known Member
I think it's interesting how we all have different approaches to the scenario with some opting for red, others for having him subbed and others not thinking calling someone a pr*ick and a kn*b is OFFINABUS but rather dissent.
Without trying to cause arguments, is it any wonder that players/supporters etc get frustrated with lack of consistency? It is however a good way to learn possible different approaches to situations but I can see why people complain about "last weeks ref"
Without trying to cause arguments, is it any wonder that players/supporters etc get frustrated with lack of consistency? It is however a good way to learn possible different approaches to situations but I can see why people complain about "last weeks ref"
SM
The avuncular one
Luckily the answers are all different @micky2001, it would be a swine to pick a winner if you were all saying the exact same thing!!
micky2001
Well-Known Member
very true, very true indeed haha. i suppose that's the joys of being a referee - our decision is always final and always right (even when its wrongLuckily the answers are all different @micky2001, it would be a swine to pick a winner if you were all saying the exact same thing!!
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micky2001
Well-Known Member
Always name first for me no matter what. That way I know who I'm dealing with incase they decide to have a go at me or play funny buggers after I have shown the card and refuse to give me their name.
Just so everyone understands the way that I will be judging these entries
Finally, I will give my own interpretation and you can pick at it as much as you want ... I know someone will disagree with some part of it
- I don't know which entry belongs to which forum user
- I therefore can't take account of your age or experience
- I will be considering the response against the competencies expected at Level 4 which include
- Application of Law
- Decision making/accuracy
- Match control
- Stoppages & technical offences
- Positioning
- Fitness/work rate
- Alertness & awareness
- Teamwork
- Communication
- Advantage
- where are the players?
- where is the ball?
- what will happen next?
- what are the possible infringements?
Finally, I will give my own interpretation and you can pick at it as much as you want ... I know someone will disagree with some part of it
fraid not, hull. i struggle to find the captains on the pitch, never mind talk to them
fraid not, hull. i struggle to find the captains on the pitch, never mind talk to them
If you read it back though if does remind me of your controversial gibberish
(Not saying that that entry is controversial gibberish, it just reminds me of haywain))
Sorry didn't mean to cause problems@HullRef AHEM.... Identifying entries to forum users will result in disqualification!
Controversial gibberish? Lol
