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strait leg studs up slide tackle catch the ball, is it a foul?

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hi there, suppose this tackle:
- strong/harsh
- on the ground
- strait leg
- studs up towards the ball also towards the opponent

but
- catch the ball spot on
- does not touch the opponent

Is it still a foul because there is a strong likelihood that it will hit the other opponent?

Thanks!
 
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Lack of contact and/or getting the ball does not mean it can't be a foul or a card. It does make it a harder sell though.
Hard to comment on specifics without seeing a video.
 
CrossRef said:
hi there, suppose this tackle:
- strong/harsh
- on the ground
- strait leg
- studs up towards the ball also towards the opponent

but
- catch the ball spot on
- does not touch the opponent

Is it still a foul because there is a strong likelihood that it will hit the other opponent?

Thanks!
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It may be, but without being there we would be guessing. Have a read of Law 12, direct and indirect free kicks. If it matches any of the descriptions there, you can answer your question.
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
It may be, but without being there we would be guessing. Have a read of Law 12, direct and indirect free kicks. If it matches any of the descriptions there, you can answer your question.
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I think CrossRef has given a good description of the challenge. I'd also like to know the answer as even on my referee course they didn't know how to answer it.
 
BCMilan said:
I think CrossRef has given a good description of the challenge. I'd also like to know the answer as even on my referee course they didn't know how to answer it.
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Could be careless, as the foot is close to the opponent.
Could be reckless if it meets the criteria in Law 12.
Could be "excessive force" if it meets the criteria.
Could be dangerous play, and an indirect free kick.
It’s up to the referee to make a decision based on the manner and detail of the challenge - a "You had to be there" one.
Whatever the referee decides, they are correct because it's their opinion that counts.
The shouts of "Got the ball" and "Didn't touch him" will follow, just as night follows day, but are not relevant.
 
It could also be spot on.

The player was in control to cleanly win the ball and avoid their opponent.

Assuming their opponent didn't have to make evasive manoeuvres, there isn't a need to be cute.

@CrossRef What was the expectation, were people appealing?
 
The term "studs up" is yet another uselessly hysterical term used by players. Don't get bogged down in it.
In practically every challenge there's going to be an element of "studs" unless the player goes into a tackle with their foot rigidly pointing downwards like a ballerina!!
 
No they were not appealing, but the attacker was flying. I didn't call it at the time, but in retrospect I feel it a bit dangerous and I am wondering whether it should be a free kick.

I've seen many cases where a defender makes a slide tackle and touches the attacker's leg, because the foot can easily slip over the ball even if you catch the ball first. In the case I mentioned the touch is spot on, the ball does not go sideways, so no contact is made with the attacker. What makes me feel dangerous is that the foot is too close to the attacker's leg and if the ball slips away then it could very easily kick on the attacker's leg, also the force is a bit intensive.

I've tried to find an example, but so far I haven't found one.
 
CrossRef said:
No they were not appealing, but the attacker was flying. I didn't call it at the time, but in retrospect I feel it a bit dangerous and I am wondering whether it should be a free kick.

I've seen many cases where a defender makes a slide tackle and touches the attacker's leg, because the foot can easily slip over the ball even if you catch the ball first. In the case I mentioned the touch is spot on, the ball does not go sideways, so no contact is made with the attacker. What makes me feel dangerous is that the foot is too close to the attacker's leg and if the ball slips away then it could very easily kick on the attacker's leg, also the force is a bit intensive.

I've tried to find an example, but so far I haven't found one.
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I wouldn't worry too much about what ifs. The player gambled and it paid off. Deal with what's in front of you. They made a tackle, won the ball, and avoided their opponent.

Unless they had come off the ground or had lunged deliberately at the players, or done something absolutely bat s***. 99% of the time the expectation will be good tackle play on.

It can be worth delaying the whistle and just getting a feel for the temperature or expectation.
 
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