Spurs v MCFC

[Ben448844]

Obvious disappointment about the result for me but Spurs deserved the win. There seemed to be a noticeable change of style from Taylor as he let far more challenges go seemingly in line with the Euros where the same happened. Seems to me that for the first time in a long time refs are being instructed to be more lenient on what's considered a careless foul or not to benefit the game. I didn't see any other football so hard to tell if it was replicated across the opening games of the PL?

There was one incident where after Tanganga's 3rd foul Taylor publically and clearly warned him that the next would being a yellow. 2 mins later he fouls again and Taylor changed his mind and decided to call in the captain, which was rightly criticised by the commentators. I cant think of a time when that's happened in recent years. Perhaps Taylor was just trying to adhere to the new instructions about being more lenient (if there are any, will need a bigger sample size) and probably went too far.

Imo it's great to see PL refs being encouraged to allow more tackling and physical contact.

 

[Anubis]

never saw any of it but from description does seem weak to call in captain on that occassion.
For anyone who thinks its good managment to do this, the flip side is the view that, as referee am struggling to control your player, maybe captain can help.

obv Taylor is a world class referee regardless. If indeed he indicated the next foul is a sanction, this highlights the danger of us doing this, unless we follow it through. We loose credibility.

A certain international centre half used to introduce himself ( as if needed) to the referee saying, ' if you have any problems with my players, speak to me and i sort it"
to which the common reply was ' thats great, but who do i speak to when i have a problem with you?'

 

[RobOda]

Perhaps Taylor was just trying to adhere to the new instructions about being more lenient (if there are any, will need a bigger sample size) and probably went too far.

Imo it's great to see PL refs being encouraged to allow more tackling and physical contact.

I don't really mind the additional physicality, it is good, but I always get the impression that this comes with a distinct lack of cautions over time.

 

[BCMilan]

I don't really mind the additional physicality, it is good, but I always get the impression that this comes with a distinct lack of cautions over time.

I think it's a dangerous area. If they become too lax, they'll run into problems like mentioned by Ben. If you're going to warn someone like that, you need to carry if through. It needs to be consistent, and I wonder if another ref on another game would have done it differently. We'll see how it pans out.

 

[Matthew]

I'm very much in favour of this new, more lenient approach provided that it is applied consistently (which so far it has been).

Totally agree on the Tanganga point though. It was very clear that he was being given a final warning on that third challenge and Taylor made himself look foolish by then calling Lloris over rather than cautioning minutes later.

 

[one]

Haven't seen it but it sounds like the type of thing we tell new referees not to do. Either don't back yourself into a corner or follow through what you'd say do would do.

 

[Big Cat]

Flair players like Saint-Maximan, got very little change outa the Refs over the weekend. I like it. The Ref should decide what represents foul play, not the players. If the Refs are consistent, the players will learn quickly
But the description of AT desperately trying to avoid a caution doesn't sound good

 

[Ben448844]

For clarity, it was a very clear warning to Tanganga. The game was stopped whilst Taylor gave the warning.

When he gave the next foul he took a few seconds to think and then called the captain over. It was like he was thinking about not cautioning as much, which is probably a directive following the success of that strategy in the Euros.

This isn't criticism of a clearly top class referee. Merely acceptance that he got himself in a bit of a tangle due to the new directives. It happens to the very best as well as us mere amateurs. But it certainly sends the wrong message. Once you've announced what you're going to do should another offence occur (whether its the next tackle or a sin bin etc) then you must follow through with it or your credibility has gone. There won't be a referee on here who hasn't learnt that lesson the hard way.

 

[PinnerPaul]

Minute sample size, but from the 1 Championship game I've seen live, in the flesh, referee in that game - Oliver Langford - let a lot more go than what I would consider 'normal'.

 

[Kes]

Flair players like Saint-Maximan, got very little change outa the Refs over the weekend. I like it. The Ref should decide what represents foul play, not the players. If the Refs are consistent, the players will learn quickly

I'd generally agree but I saw Callum Wilson fall foul of this new approach when clearly shoved from behind down in the West Ham corner, not 10 feet from the AR who didn't flag it but simply indicated the resultant throw West Ham's way. Wilson wasn't happy and he had good reason not to be.

 

[santa sangria]

LET.THEM.PLAY.

I had 5 games this week and I have been feeling very confident. First one was an inter village smackdown so I had to take control early on - but loosened later. But I had an u17 boys 2nd div and u18 girls top tier where I think I had really good “foul line”, much higher than previous years. “No one wants water polo refereeing”. I just realised maybe I subconsciously got something from the euros. The girls game was great fun with loads of action - whereas previously I have fallen into the trap of penalising trifling contact.

Yes, I’ve been whistling yes but I’ve been even more active - and I was very communicative before. I think that really helps.

Oh and an advantage goal in the u17 glamour game!

 

[RustyRef]

I think it was only really noticed because the captain was Lloris and he had to call him out all that way. Had the captain been Hojbjerg who was already on the scene I doubt much would have been said.

I'm all for this new style, it is making for much better games and long may it continue.

 

[Ben448844]

I think it was only really noticed because the captain was Lloris and he had to call him out all that way. Had the captain been Hojbjerg who was already on the scene I doubt much would have been said.

I'm all for this new style, it is making for much better games and long may it continue.

I am also in favour of the new style but I disagree that people wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't Lloris. Taylor gave a very clear and public warning having pulled Tanganga to one side to do so.