ladbroke8745
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Any reason why Lallana only got a yellow?
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Can understand why the pen wasn’t overturned. I don’t think it could have been much tighter if they tried.
Not a clue how Lallana got away with only a yellow. Maybe down to lack of player reaction, but that shouldn’t negate VAR from giving input.
Not a clue how Lallana got away with only a yellow. Maybe down to lack of player reaction, but that shouldn’t negate VAR from giving input.
Isn't the contact at the knees? It's very tight and almost impossible to determine exact contact point. Referee's call it is.
ladbroke8745
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Can't use player reaction...
There was no player, or even fan/bench, reaction to sending off in the Brentford game. Yet that happened when a foul wasn't even initially given.
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To a point you can’t use player reaction. But at times you need to. This is a perfect case of how player reaction, or lack thereof, can almost talk you out of something.
I can understand the onfield official missing it, VAR shouldn’t.
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As a side note, Dibling must be the new winner of the ‘smallest shin pads competition’
Interesting PGMOL responses to two penalties.
1. No evidence outside PA, thought ok, contact was by leg not the boot so penalty.
2. Deemed deliberate handball. My understanding when deflects off your own body shouldn't be a penalty? Could argue making his body bigger but was trying to twist around hence his arms were out for balance?
https://www.skysports.com/premier-l...mpton-2-3-liverpool-premier-league-highlights
1. No evidence outside PA, thought ok, contact was by leg not the boot so penalty.
2. Deemed deliberate handball. My understanding when deflects off your own body shouldn't be a penalty? Could argue making his body bigger but was trying to twist around hence his arms were out for balance?
https://www.skysports.com/premier-l...mpton-2-3-liverpool-premier-league-highlights
1. Yes, looks like there is contact by the knee and that looks on the line.
2. Clear handball for me, he has realised the ball is going past him and reacted by bringing his arm out. It not being handling if deflecting off the body was taken out some time ago, not the only consideration is was the arm in a justifiable position for the specific footballing action, and it clearly wasn't. There weren't really any complaints, Sugawara's defence seemed to be that his arm was by his side, and it most definitely wasn't.
Whilst taken out of law it's still on the rules and also as far as I know being used as a consideration.
On what rules out of interest? In any case, I still think he has panicked and deliberately handled the ball, so the deflection off his boy is neither here nor there.
Totally agree.
The rules came out after the laws changed iirc.
I'm sure Howard Webb has said similar about handball. It's not in the law but it's certainly something that still gets referred to. Sure I've read UEFA still quite similar as consideration too
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There’s some logic to the idea that the deflection should be considered in determining if it was deliberate or unnatural. But if the arm was in an unnatural place taking up space or the handling was deliberate, there is not reason the player should be off the hook.
Does anyone think HW speaking to an EPL manager after a contentious, subjective offside decision actually helps?
FWIW, the BBC poll, was 69%/31% in favour of allowing the goal.
FWIW, the BBC poll, was 69%/31% in favour of allowing the goal.
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I can't help suspecting that Russell Martin will look very silly when Howard Webb comes out on the next Mic'd up program and says that the offside decision was correct. Which is all he can really do as under the current law it can only be offside.