Serbia vs England
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DOGSO was 100% wrong for me, Kane was going very wide and wouldn't really have had any kind of OGSO. It was so badly wrong I was very surprised VAR didn't recommend a review.
Penalty was more understandable, suspect he was looking straight down the barrel and couldn't see the contact on Watkins. Good use of VAR, and he only took one very quick look at the screen before changing his decision.
Penalty was more understandable, suspect he was looking straight down the barrel and couldn't see the contact on Watkins. Good use of VAR, and he only took one very quick look at the screen before changing his decision.
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Penalty? possibly. A dive to milk it? definitely. For more VAR decision is a far worse decision than the initial referee decision.
I’m in the other camp on the red card. A brave call, and ultimately the correct one for me. I can’t do it here and could last night but freeze framing the foul, if it isn’t made Kane has almost the entire final quarter to run into. For an elite level player that’s one touch and nobody else is getting there to close him down. The defender knows he has one option, so it’s not an attempt to play the ball either, giving another red card offence potentially.
I expected a caution - call it safe refereeing or PGMOL product protection style refereeing or whatever else, but I was surprised but supportive of the red.
I expected a caution - call it safe refereeing or PGMOL product protection style refereeing or whatever else, but I was surprised but supportive of the red.
Russell Jones
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100% agree. Kane would have got to the ball just outside the penalty area and would have been able to get a shot away unimpeded. The angle wouldn’t have been ideal but for a quality international player that’s most definitely an OGSO.
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That frame was just to point out that there was a dive. But on contact, I agree there was no contact on the ball however I don't know where you got "on top of his foot" from. There was side contact on his right foot (by the defender's left foot) but by that time he was already on his way down.
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My view was that the ball would have gone well beyond the edge of the penalty area and therefore made the angle very narrow, may have judged it wrong though.
There's a video for here for those that haven't seen it. https://streamain.com/en/rkIM2jvpvGdhNXC/watch
Perhaps I'm taking into account Kane's lack of pace and the fact he is right footed, which I obviously wouldn't do if I was looking at it as the referee on the day, but I just felt it was going too wide. Having watched it again I don't the ball would be as far away as I did last night, but I still think it is beyond and outside the left of penalty area before he takes possession.
Perhaps I'm taking into account Kane's lack of pace and the fact he is right footed, which I obviously wouldn't do if I was looking at it as the referee on the day, but I just felt it was going too wide. Having watched it again I don't the ball would be as far away as I did last night, but I still think it is beyond and outside the left of penalty area before he takes possession.
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Possibly, but then you have to look at where the covering defenders are. By the time the ball was in that position one of the defenders was almost back in the penalty area so could probably have got across to cover.
Russell Jones
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I don’t feel that still image is helpful. Were it not for the foul, my view is that Kane would have actually got to the ball about 5m prior to that position and the defenders would not have been in a position to stop him getting a shot away from just inside the area.
Overall, whilst it’s far from the most blatant red card, it certainly didn’t merit a VAR intervention and I believe it’s the most supportable on field choice at this standard of football.
@BCMilan , worth remembering the first O in OGSO .. sometimes, situations can be a GSO but not an OGSO! Though, for me, this is both
I think you've added an image to suit your own argument lol. I would suggest at the point of contact (see here) he was well clear of the defenders and would have had an "obvious" goalscoring opportunity !
Yes but that doesn’t show that the ball was moving wide and that it was a very heavy touch.
Russell Jones
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Or … the ball was moving just wide of the penalty area and it was a slightly heavy touch
.In reality, stills are most useful only for evaluating the Distance and Defenders considerations. For Direction and Control, a moving picture is needed.
Based on the discussion, would you now at least agree that a VAR intervention would have been unwarranted?
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I'm going to put my scientific hat on with a bit of guestimation.
Kane would have controlled the ball 4m before the edge of the PA.
- The distance from place of foul to edge of area is 12m.
- As the foul happens the timer on video ticks from 5s to 6s.
- As the timer ticks from 6s to 7s (1s later) the ball is 8m further up and still 4m from the edge of area.
- According to Google Kane's top speed sprint is 9.2m per second.
- In this instance he is not excatly top speed so say he travels 8m in one second.
Kane would have controlled the ball 4m before the edge of the PA.I simply can't believe Turpin didn't take all this in to account on the day!I'm going to put my scientific hat on with a bit of guestimation.
According to my scientific analysis
- The distance from place of foul to edge of area is 12m.
- As the foul happens the timer on video ticks from 5s to 6s.
- As the timer ticks from 6s to 7s (1s later) the ball is 8m further up and still 4m from the edge of area.
- According to Google Kane's top speed sprint is 9.2m per second.
- In this instance he is not excatly top speed so say he travels 8m in one second.
Yes, would agree that it didn’t merit VAR intervention. I was surprised real time but not after replays.Or … the ball was moving just wide of the penalty area and it was a slightly heavy touch
In reality, stills are most useful only for evaluating the Distance and Defenders considerations. For Direction and Control, a moving picture is needed.
Based on the discussion, would you now at least agree that a VAR intervention would have been unwarranted?