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Ross said:
I write full names directly onto my yellow card when needed. Reds get written in the notebook when needed. Only had 2 reds in 3 years so that’s how often the notebook gets used. Don’t get team sheets on the league I do, so I’ll use Refsix to email the managers requesting a team sheet. They don’t always fill them in, if they do great, if not, no harm done.
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2 reds in 3 years! i need to ref in your leagues! :p
 
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alexv said:
Yeah exactly. With goals I just use the watch, but I don’t want technology to fail for misconduct. But I like inputting the cards on there as it shows the exact time, position on the pitch, stats, etc
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Just ran a test match on doing this. I actually find it easier this way actually. And it still tells you (as long as you put the right number in both occasions) if its a 2nd yellow.
Only thing that can can be annoying is find what you're cautioning for and its sub sections in some cases.
So I think I will just select the first option and edit when home to keep accurate data. Notepad will still always be used - just in case.
 
JamesL said:
Beware though. I had 5 reds in season 2020/21... :redcard::smoke:
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I have had 2 this season (1x 2 YC offences and 1 straight red for VC)...

In relation to the OP... Obviously, I will continue the proper procedure, as I find speaking to the players is important as it calms them down and gives the game chance to calm too. However, some referees that I have encountered this season do not think highly of RefSix and advised against using it.

Would be interested to hear opinions?
 
SurreyWolves said:
However, some referees that I have encountered this season do not think highly of RefSix and advised against using it.
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Like many things, it's a matter of preference. For me, keeping data on a watch is a solution in search of a problem--I can note things in my notebook quickly and easily and have no interest in messing with the watch for anything other than time. Others find it helps.
 
I've been using refsix for over a year and love it, but for the first time I lost my match log this weekend. There's a new version (5.0) and instead of transferring at the end of the match it 'syncs' and can do several matches at once. You can't sync without exiting the match. I exited the match, sync'd and lost it. It's still listed as a fixture.

There were 3 yellows and a red. Fortunately I know the teams and can ask them who it was. I might go back to pencil for a bit.
 
Trip said:
I've been using refsix for over a year and love it, but for the first time I lost my match log this weekend. There's a new version (5.0) and instead of transferring at the end of the match it 'syncs' and can do several matches at once. You can't sync without exiting the match. I exited the match, sync'd and lost it. It's still listed as a fixture.

There were 3 yellows and a red. Fortunately I know the teams and can ask them who it was. I might go back to pencil for a bit.
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Do you get team sheets at all?
Even if you don't, just jot down number and time in notepad, takes 2 seconds. If you've got the time to add to the watch, then great. But that can be added later if need be on the app.
Personally, when using the watch for it, I add the player as the first code of conduct due to not wasting time scrolling for the actual code. Edit after the game. At least this way its marked already for GPS location, time etc.
But I never do it in front of them as it could look very unprofessional me fiddling with my watch whilst talking with them.
 
I do get teamsheets, yes. I don't need to use the watch for this, I've just into the habit. I only note the number at the time but I always check the names are correct after the match (they are frequently not correct).

The reason I don't take the name is that it's very multicultural here (north London) and it can be a desperately slow process for me to get them correctly as the bloke I'm about to caution gets more and more frustrated at my ignorance of his (for example) Arabic name.
 
Trip said:
I do get teamsheets, yes. I don't need to use the watch for this, I've just into the habit. I only note the number at the time but I always check the names are correct after the match (they are frequently not correct).

The reason I don't take the name is that it's very multicultural here (north London) and it can be a desperately slow process for me to get them correctly as the bloke I'm about to caution gets more and more frustrated at my ignorance of his (for example) Arabic name.
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Trust me, I understand your frustration.
I had a red card overturned many moons ago because I misspelt the players name. I didnt confirm spelling of player and back then team sheets wasn't something we'd get, was a league requirement.
 
I'm all for technology, after all it is what I do for a living, but you have to be careful. Due to my job I know all too well that technology can and frequently does fail, and relying entirely on having goals, cautions and send offs just on your watch strikes me as a massive risk. My Apple Watch 6 for no apparent reason rebooted itself yesterday on over 80% battery, what do you do if that happens in a game? There has to be a plan B, even if that is something as basic as jotting cautions in a notebook at breaks in play, or even writing the numbers on your hand.

Best case scenario if it goes wrong is you can ask the clubs or ARs for details of cautions, worst case is they can't remember or even worse you go to caution someone and don't realise they've already had one. Certainly not a risk I would be willing to take.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
I had that issue too. Was working great pre season first time using it, for the first few games too before we got into wet season.
But I bought a sweat wristband and cover the watch.
It has been great ever since.
I still use notepad for cautions and quickly add it to watch whilst player coming to me if I have time (I have team sheets before match so already have their names, at yourh level) so all I'm doing is scrolling to their name/number.
If I haven't time to add it before restart, I won't delay restart, I'll just add it at end of game on phone.

For the original poster, I'm using the ticwatch. Personally, I love it. Use it for every day use too.
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Ticwatch is the one i went for.
 
RustyRef said:
I'm all for technology, after all it is what I do for a living, but you have to be careful. Due to my job I know all too well that technology can and frequently does fail, and relying entirely on having goals, cautions and send offs just on your watch strikes me as a massive risk. My Apple Watch 6 for no apparent reason rebooted itself yesterday on over 80% battery, what do you do if that happens in a game? There has to be a plan B, even if that is something as basic as jotting cautions in a notebook at breaks in play, or even writing the numbers on your hand.

Best case scenario if it goes wrong is you can ask the clubs or ARs for details of cautions, worst case is they can't remember or even worse you go to caution someone and don't realise they've already had one. Certainly not a risk I would be willing to take.
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"Low-tech" methods fail as well though. I've had pages of a notebook fall apart or become illegible during heavy rain, particularly when I had to have my book out for extended periods to actually take someone's name. Ditto another match where my pen ran out 10 minutes from the end and when I went to grab my backup pencil, I found I'd broken the lead of that! Ended up faking the writing down of his number and desperately chanting "blue 7, blue 7" over an over in my head until the end of that match!

Sharpies and a write-on card to quickly note shirt number are the most fool-proof method I've used so far, but as someone has already pointed out on this thread, that's seen as "incorrect" and will lose me marks in an observed match.
 
GraemeS said:
Sharpies and a write-on card to quickly note shirt number are the most fool-proof method I've used so far, but as someone has already pointed out on this thread, that's seen as "incorrect" and will lose me marks in an observed match.
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No it won't. That's how I'd do it and haven't been marked down yet. I do take the name, but I don't think the procedure says you have to note it ;)
Kes will be along to tell me I am wrong soon but I have yet to have any problems on 3 years at level 4 using this method.
 
JamesL said:
No it won't. That's how I'd do it and haven't been marked down yet. I do take the name, but I don't think the procedure says you have to note it ;)
Kes will be along to tell me I am wrong soon but I have yet to have any problems on 3 years at level 4 using this method.
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Yeah, that is fine. Where referees get in trouble with write on cards or RefSix is if they flash the cards without isolating the player and confirming their name. As an observer I'm not necessarily looking to see the name written down, but I would be expecting a brief discussion with the player where his name is confirmed and ticked off before the card is shown.
 
I realize I'm reviving a dormant thread, but I learned yesterday that Refsix has a beta out for Garmin watches. I'm at least interested in trying it out with my Garmin Fenix 5 Plus, probably first by just using it watching TV matches (plenty of those coming up this weekend with the Euros and Copa America finals along with the US national B team playing in the CONCACAF Gold Cup) and as a spectator on any matches my son plays. One thing I'm particularly interested in will be how easy it is to navigate the system when I don't have a touchscreen Garmin. The Fenix operates purely with buttons.
 
I recently changed from Apple Watch to Garmin (Fenix 6), using Refsix on both. I did initially struggle changing from touchscreen to buttons, but like most tech, after a handful of games I started to become more comfortable with it. The app is now available on the Garmin iConnect app, so doesn't need to be sideloaded as per the initial beta release, but is not yet the full version, various features are still being released. Personally, I don't think the Garmin version will ever be as easy to use as the Apple version, but as I much prefer the Garmin as a daily use watch to the Apple it is more than sufficient for me.
 
Hendo said:
I recently changed from Apple Watch to Garmin (Fenix 6), using Refsix on both. I did initially struggle changing from touchscreen to buttons, but like most tech, after a handful of games I started to become more comfortable with it. The app is now available on the Garmin iConnect app, so doesn't need to be sideloaded as per the initial beta release, but is not yet the full version, various features are still being released. Personally, I don't think the Garmin version will ever be as easy to use as the Apple version, but as I much prefer the Garmin as a daily use watch to the Apple it is more than sufficient for me.
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I wouldn't buy another Garmin
I've had a Fenix5S and a Tactic. They're not brilliant. For one thing, you need to buy a new charging cable every month or two. There's a crappy design fault with the connection between charger and watch that commonly stops the watch from charging in my experience

All I want is a smartish looking timing device, with accurate GPS and maybe a HRM that's not way off. No interest in 'bells & whistles' and nee chance I'll be fiddling about with RefSix anytime soon whilst having my head chewed off by a Neanderthal
 
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