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zarathustra
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That's probably the best explanation that I've heard for why the EPL seem to making such a pig's ear out of something that other leagues and competitions have had working reasonably well.
zarathustra
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Considering Mark Halsey has a huge chip on his shoulder about PGMOL I'd take what he says with a pinch of salt.
If he did say what is in that quote, which I doubt, why have none of the club's sued PGMOL to death?
It's either because all of the club's are in on it (they're stakeholders in not the premier League and the PGMOL) or its not happening
santa sangria
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OFR - the big disadvantage is the physical environment. A ref has not trained 20 years to watch a small screen by the field.
The big advantage - and my head was turned on this by watching all of this season’s Inside MLS - is that the ref is able to spot things the VAR doesn’t.
The big advantage - and my head was turned on this by watching all of this season’s Inside MLS - is that the ref is able to spot things the VAR doesn’t.
Foot in mouth again!!!
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...o-aguero-manchester-city-united-a7224916.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...o-aguero-manchester-city-united-a7224916.html
zarathustra
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He made a similar claim in his book, but it all comes across as him having a chip on his shoulder because he didn't like the head shed at PGMOL when Mike Riley took over, and The FA because he didn't get an FA Cup final.
Considering people like Sean Dyche spent years complaining about how they never get any penalties you'd think if the club's thought there was anything in these allegations then they'd be taking PGMOL to court.
Even Burnley would have more than enough money for that,
Did they sue him and get him to retract his lies then? If it’s lies then why wouldn’t they? That’s quite defamatory!
zarathustra
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Why bother? He's just a bitter man taking snide swipes at his former employers, to go through the courts over a tweet would be giving it more media attention, when it was forgotten a couple of weeks later.
If he set up a website dedicated to accusing PGMOL of match fixing, or was gobbing off about it in the papers every week then they probably would.
Or he could be telling the truth?? Is that something he would make up?? and say out loud??
zarathustra
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If he cares so much why didn't he say something at the time?
Why wait until years and years after he had retired and then only mention it in a tweet?
If there was any truth in this why wouldn't the club's be doing something about it? Having you star striker miss 4 games because the referee was pressured into lying about whether they saw an offence or not is a huge deal, and could cost club's millions, especially if that striker not playing means you loose some important games which ultimately affect you position in the league.
It's not like the club's don't have the money.
I suspect he was told something, and there's been a misunderstanding, perhaps due to poor choice of words, and he's just run with it. And because it fits in with his anti PGMOL agenda he hasn't questioned it.
Surely if it was true there'd be more than enough disgruntled former top flight referees who'd be more than happy to go public about it and make some money from tv appearances.
Peter Grove
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The IFAB already went through a period of years of experiments with VAR, after which they reviewed the evidence and then issued formal instructions for a uniform approach. Why should they do that again, just because the PGMOL/EPL have decided to ignore these formal instructions?
santa sangria
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I hear you but my answer...
... because clear and obvious is not clear or obvious, reviews take too long, the fan experience is poor and pitchside review is a bad concept that referees are not well-enough trained for.
Peter Grove
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Clear and obvious wasn't the point under discussion, @Tealeaf 's post and my reply were solely and exclusively about the use of pitchside monitors.
We all sign contracts with employers that are essentially gagging clauses on lots of stuff whilst in their employment. Many a time when people leave jobs they whistleblow on stuff that happens behind closed doors, look at Trumps presidency.... MH's silence in employment was totally expected IMO, his blabbing since maybe wasn't!!! That doesn't mean he's lying though now!!
And it doesn't mean he's not. So.....we're back where we started.
Today's referees can't employ their own style and ideas if they wish to progress. Nowhere is this more evident than in the EPL in which they all have to perform in unison. The MH article portrays this, just like the non-use of OFR does
The PGMOL have shown they can do what they like (assuming the football clubs agree). I don't understand it, but denial is naivety
The PGMOL have shown they can do what they like (assuming the football clubs agree). I don't understand it, but denial is naivety
zarathustra
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The football clubs agreeing is key, PGMOL is not an independent organisation, it is funded by the Premier League, EFL, and The FA.
Therefore, the club's have a say in how PGMOL operate and that is why club's are the one who tell PGMOL how much holding etc they're willing to accept.
If PGMOL were really asking referees to either lie in match reports or to give certain teams more penalties etc, then either they are intentionally trying to pull one over on the people who pay their wages, or the club's know what is going on and are happy with it.
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zarathustra
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I think it's funny that people think that club's like Watford would be happy for PGMOL to tell referees to give more penalties to Liverpool (as an example) knowing that it would disadvantage their team with potentially huge financial ramifications.
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