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Rangers vs Dundee Utd

The phrase from players that this thread has brought to mind for me is "They're the same ref!!!" or "What about that one ref???". There are two clips in this thread, posted as if they're essentially two versions of the same incident. For me, they're so incredibly different I can barely see the similarities!

Absolutely. And that should be the case because we are specialists at identifying the difference between fair and foul challenges (and careless, reckless and excessive force incidents, of course). The issues come when pundits, the media and - to a certain extent - fans, wilfully ignore those aspects of the laws to create talking points.
 
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There's still something about it that doesn't look right to me - almost as if he's realised at the last moment that he can follow through and leave one on the other player, but hide it under the guise of 'I was just playing the ball'. The problem is that I really can't work out what it is exactly that makes me feel that's the case!
 
we are specialists at identifying the difference between fair and foul challenges
Are we though? Or are we just experts at using the correct terminology? My foul recognition isn't much different now than before taking to the whistle
 
There's still something about it that doesn't look right to me - almost as if he's realised at the last moment that he can follow through and leave one on the other player, but hide it under the guise of 'I was just playing the ball'. The problem is that I really can't work out what it is exactly that makes me feel that's the case!
It's instinct. And if you have referees long enough, especially refereed that specific player before, within the context of that game, you'd be able to tell when you see it at the time. One short isolated clip doesn't give you enough to not give the benefit of doubt.
 
With the benefit of the replay, he clearly leaves a little bit on the defender.
Hard to be sure in real time. With a replay it's 100% a card. I'd back either colour, I'm erring toward a red personally
 
Are we though? Or are we just experts at using the correct terminology? My foul recognition isn't much different now than before taking to the whistle
That's a fair point. I would argue though that by using the correct terminology we are going through a process of analysis (pretty quickly) that players, spectators and pundits rarely do. Generally (and if we're in the appropriate position, etc.) that leads us to recognising offences and sanctioning accordingly - or not.
 
Are we though? Or are we just experts at using the correct terminology? My foul recognition isn't much different now than before taking to the whistle
Yep terminology is important. Supply League middle at the weekend, player arguing for a second yellow for an opponent, my comment "it was just careless" to which he said "yeah so that's why it's a yellow card" 🙄🤣

Part of the issue is that on the TV they often use the word "reckless" to describe a Sending Off Offence, which sets the wrong expectation
 
That's a fair point. I would argue though that by using the correct terminology we are going through a process of analysis (pretty quickly) that players, spectators and pundits rarely do. Generally (and if we're in the appropriate position, etc.) that leads us to recognising offences and sanctioning accordingly - or not.
Agreed... some of my posts are intended to stimulate discussion. It's farcical that professional footballers, coaches, commentators and pundits can't discern between careless, reckless & dangerous. Players are only interested in winning the ball at all costs, but we're judging fair challenges by predominantly factoring in the risk to the opponent
It's not just football, participants in other sports are often ignorant of the rules. Seasoned golfers have no clue what they're doing in my experience
 
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