Level 7 Referee
Not a red card offence IMHO - played the ball and his foot then caught the incoming opponent.Interested to hear opinions on this from actual refs and not fans/pundits.
I won't give an opinion due to it being Scottish teams.
Alot of fans are comparing it to this.Ok I am playing devil's advocate here for sake of debate and a better analysis/debate of why this is not SFP. Or if you like, presenting a flip side.
Let's say the the blue opponent was sliding in on the ground for a block. Red player kicks the ball over him and steps on blue player's knee (or head) on follow through. Is that still play on?
No. The point of contact isn't all that matters. That's a starting point.I should have said IMO. If you consider this a foul the given that it is studs on the knees then it has to be considered excessive force.
Didn't think I needed to explain it that far given the injury. Not that the outcome determines the sanction but it is pretty obvious on this one.No. The point of contact isn't all that matters. That's a starting point.
You need to take into account the degree of force too.
There was an excellent one in a Europa League game last year that was studs into the knee... but with a very low amount of force (the sliding player was pulling the leg back and his body momentum had almost stopped when contact was made). Was cautioned. And rightly so.
Given the definition of reckless ie acts with disregard to the consequences to his opponent - absolutely you can. I happen to think that would have been the correct outcome here.Didn't think I needed to explain it that far given the injury. Not that the outcome determines the sanction but it is pretty obvious on this one.
Surely you are not saying this incident can be considered reckless.
No, not necessarily. There are times where contact with the knee causing injury wouldn't even be a foul. You punish the action, not the outcome.We will just have to disagree. If he has acted with disregard to consequences with studs to knee and injuring the opponent, doesn't that automatically mean endangering safety?
Keep in mind everything UEF is also reckless and careless but the reverse is not true.
The phrase from players that this thread has brought to mind for me is "They're the same ref!!!" or "What about that one ref???". There are two clips in this thread, posted as if they're essentially two versions of the same incident. For me, they're so incredibly different I can barely see the similarities!Its an interesting one this.
So often referees (and players, fans and coaches) use phrases like 'out of control' but this cannot really by applied here. The player is playing the ball and doesn't move his eyes from them so I think he is playing the ball and is perfectly in control off that action - he cannot be expected to not make the challenge on account of what appears to be a poor touch from the Rangers player. So he is in control until the Rangers player interferes. I'm sure that makes little sense outside of my own head but I'd be happy with no card - though I can see game management benefitting from a caution.