I do get that, but there was no way on this planet they were going to replay a game where the offended team won, but there is likely to have been a much better chance when the offended team lost, even if it didn’t go that way. However, although I also get another previous comment by someone else that it was not seen rather than incorrect in Law, it could be argued that disallowing a goal that should have been allowed whatever the reason was incorrect in Law.
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That’s probably how the FA saw it in the Watford game, but I am not entirely comfortable with it. However, it is what it is.
The problem is, for me, if you replay a game based on officiating errors then you open the door for people to demand replays left, right and centre. At the minute, I believe, precedence for replays has only been if the error made is a breach of competitions rules or similar.
If that is indeed the case then that is a change. 5-6 years ago I was at a Contributory League game, whereby from a dropped ball to Home the player played the ball from 10 yards inside his opponents half and despite the goalkeeper knowing the Laws of the Game by allowing the ball to pass him for what should then have been a goal kick (and despite the neutral AR signalling a goal kick), the Referee awarded a goal which was the only goal of the game. The Referee was suspended and the game replayed. That was not a competition rule, but the Referee incorrect in Law.
What I meant by an officiating error was an incorrect decision, not an incorrect application of law, if you know what I mean?
I suppose it's all done on a case by case basis
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No, it absolutely cannot be argued as a mistake in Law. A mistake in Law means that the referee had the Law wrong rather than facts wrong. Here there is no matter of Law that is even remotely in question. The sole question is one of fact—which side of the line was the ball on when it crossed the goal line? There is absolutely, positively no way that the game would be ordered replayed on appeal. Zero. And I’d the league punished frivolous appeals, the appeal would be punished.
Devils advocate - Law 10 - A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no offence has been committed by the team scoring the goal.
This suggests a statement of fact & doesn’t say “ in the opinion of the Referee”, though we all know that this has to be the case.
However, I accept your points.
There is usually latitude for the Match Officials to judge whether a goal has been scored. Any such judgement which is wrong, is not an error in Law
However, this incident is not a matter of judgement. It is a matter of fact
I'm not advocating a replay as that opens up a can of worms. Especially with VAR making some judgements which are bordering on factual. And it is a sport at the end of the day! It seems that all precedents are that replays only occur when an error in Law or Comp Rules has occurred
It's coming home!!!!!!
With the same Team Sheets?
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All for this is we still have to use the same players used that day.
That is totally different, it is incorrect in law, which means the officials clearly saw what happened but then applied the laws incorrectly.
Not seeing that the ball went into the goal is a mistake rather than incorrect in law. There's a very clear difference between the two.
Using penalties as an example, lots of games have been replayed and referees suspended where encroachment has been penalised and the restart was incorrect, that is incorrect in law. No game has ever been replayed because the referee awarded a penalty when there was actually no offence committed, no matter how bad the error.
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I think there's only Geoff Hurst left now so we might have to settle for a draw!
Long time no post. I hope you are well sir?
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The devil may need a new advocate. Law 5:
The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, are final. The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected.
Imagine the ref forgetting a goal and adamantly reporting the result incorrectly
Must happen occasionally at grass roots. Guess the result is whatever the ref reports
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I did this once. Could have sworn the score was 3-1 and away team celebrated a last minute goal like mad. Wrote the score on the post match sheet and all hell breaks loose! Thankfully home team saved my blushes...no idea how you **** up a 3-3...