Penalty - AR

[Redref34]

Hi all

What are peoples instructions regarding the giving of penalties to NAR? Buzzer and non buzzer.

I had to give a stone wall penalty at the weekend that the referee missed and I followed his instructions to buzz but to flag.

We got the correct decision in the end but it caused a bit of dissent as I looked like I had missed it as well.

I am generally of the opinion that if my AR thinks it is a stone wall 100% they might as well just flag for it publically.

Would welcome people’s thoughts.

 

[Viridis1886]

My feeling is that if the AR can see it, and it is stonewall, then just flag. It is going to be them that is taking the heat for it for the ref might as well just go with them.

The ref I had at on Tuesday night said "if I look towards you then I need your help. Get involved, either a shake of the head, a nod or a convincing flag".

For me that covers it.

 

[DavidObs]

Hi all

What are peoples instructions regarding the giving of penalties to NAR? Buzzer and non buzzer.

I had to give a stone wall penalty at the weekend that the referee missed and I followed his instructions to buzz but to flag.

We got the correct decision in the end but it caused a bit of dissent as I looked like I had missed it as well.

I am generally of the opinion that if my AR thinks it is a stone wall 100% they might as well just flag for it publically.

Would welcome people’s thoughts.

Just as a matter of interest how did the AR decide 100% that it was a stone wall penalty & you didn’t - blind side/view blocked etc?

 

[Redref34]

I was the AR .. it was my side of the box complete wipeout , ref thought he saw him get some ball from his angle.

 

[DavidObs]

I was the AR .. it was my side of the box complete wipeout , ref thought he saw him get some ball from his angle.

My apologies for getting it wrong way round. Since it appears in this case that the correct outcome was obtained then happy days. However, what I would say is that for L4s & above, it is often the case that Referees do not usually want AR’s to intervene unless the Referee is incorrect in Law (attacking handball rather than defensive handball in the defending penalty area), or that his/her view is blocked. In the situation you have described it appears it was a subjective decision based upon angles - his angle some contact/your position no contact.

 

[Redref34]

My apologies for getting it wrong way round. Since it appears in this case that the correct outcome was obtained then happy days. However, what I would say is that for L4s & above, it is often the case that Referees do not usually want AR’s to intervene unless the Referee is incorrect in Law (attacking handball rather than defensive handball in the defending penalty area), or that his/her view is blocked. In the situation you have described it appears it was a subjective decision based upon angles - his angle some contact/your position no contact.

Absolutely fine.

However - I had no way of knowing if his angle was blocked or if he had made the decision to not give the penalty until he came over and told me. At that point I’m telling him it’s a stonewall penalty as it was so obvious.

 

[RefereeX]

My instruction goes along the lines of 'look and see what I'm doing. If I've said no, please don't come in as it ruins credibility. Unless of course I've missed something horrendously blaitant and factual like a punch in the face, then still do come in, but if it's just a subjective foul / no foul and I've said no, please leave it. Otherwise, you'll see me looking at you if I need some input.
I am, however, happy for you to lead and not look at me first in the scenario of a clear handball from a cross on your side of the pitch. You're the best placed match official to make that decision, so if you see it and you're certain, don't wait for me, get the flag up and look confident.'