"Sell the decision"? Sell that he missed it but can't even give a FK/YC?
Palace v Man City FAC
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I agree with the view that the VAR could recommend a review to sell the decision because the officials have missed a factual handball and then it's up to the matchday referee to decide whether it's a DOGSO or not.
We should not have a situation where the VAR effectively decided whether it's a DOGSO or not and the referee on the field has had no say in it whatsoever.
I do accept within protocol this can't happen so it's not the VAR fault but now because of the lack of intervention then we got this big storm occuring about VAR again.
We should not have a situation where the VAR effectively decided whether it's a DOGSO or not and the referee on the field has had no say in it whatsoever.
I do accept within protocol this can't happen so it's not the VAR fault but now because of the lack of intervention then we got this big storm occuring about VAR again.
Deservedly so. Its appalling
Again I come back to the same point? What has VAR done wrong here? There are obviously question marks about a potential red card and penalty, but I can accept they are subjective decisions.
But what is absolutely factual is VAR corrected a very clear and obvious mistake in disallowing Palace's second goal. Had there been no VAR Palace would have incorrectly gone 2-0 up, are people saying they would rather these types of goals should be allowed even though they clearly shouldn't have been?
RefRyanAus
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It’s clearly an obvious goal scoring opportunity and I really don’t see how this view can be successfully argued against. Goal keepers get many advantages in our game and I am not inclined to give one any benefit of doubt about what may have occurred next if he doesn’t handle the ball.
But missing the handball offence was a clear and obvious mistake - and "away from goal" was a subjective decision. It's actually a real mess, isn't it? The onfield referee couldn't make a subjective decision whether it was DOGSO because he'd made a clear and obvious mistake, but the VAR (perhaps forgetting the wording of the law) decides that if the onfield referee hadn't made a mistake he would have not considered it DOGSO...
Will we get the audio? "It was handball, you missed it Stuart, but I don't think it was DOGSO because Haaland was going away from goal."
"So I missed an obvious handball by the keeper, but I have to take your word for it that Haaland couldn't have gone on to score? And my AR didn't notice the offence either, but might have a view about whether it might have been DOGSO..."
(And maybe the offside decision wouldn't have arisen at all if Palace had ten players.)
It's the process, it always has been. It's abysmal.
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It doesn't need to meet all of the criteria, as there is no criteria. The wording is consideration, that it a big difference to criteria.
You could still have a red for DOGSO without all 4 considerations being absolutely 100% certainties
In the Bristol City v Sheffield United thread there was a brief history lesson on another "C" - cynical.
From the strikers I had in my game yesterday, I'd have no idea if they had a strong foot. At best they had 2 (or too) weak feet!
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Darwin Nuñez wasn't playing by any chance was he?
As always, I’ve waited until the day after the match to try to look at things a bit more objectively.
I can accept the handball being missed in real time. The AR’s position isn’t great, so I can see how he could have either missed the handball, or thought that the keeper handled inside the box, but I cannot get my head round how VAR can look at that and decide it’s not clear DOGSO. As a fan this is what angers me most about VAR; I can accept a mistake being made, but I can’t accept such an obvious mistake not being corrected, and it makes the sense of injustice so much worse. I think this is one of the most consequential (in terms of in the match rather than the overall result) errors I can recall in that Henderson went on to save a penalty and make several other crucial saves, which ultimately won Palace the game.
On a different note, what happened to effectively dealing with time wasting? Henderson was at it all game and Attwell did nothing until the usual 90th minute token yellow card. Enforced for a few weeks and forgotten about as usual.
I can accept the handball being missed in real time. The AR’s position isn’t great, so I can see how he could have either missed the handball, or thought that the keeper handled inside the box, but I cannot get my head round how VAR can look at that and decide it’s not clear DOGSO. As a fan this is what angers me most about VAR; I can accept a mistake being made, but I can’t accept such an obvious mistake not being corrected, and it makes the sense of injustice so much worse. I think this is one of the most consequential (in terms of in the match rather than the overall result) errors I can recall in that Henderson went on to save a penalty and make several other crucial saves, which ultimately won Palace the game.
On a different note, what happened to effectively dealing with time wasting? Henderson was at it all game and Attwell did nothing until the usual 90th minute token yellow card. Enforced for a few weeks and forgotten about as usual.
I take your point, but maybe he could have swiped it home with his right foot. I think, as you have knowledge of the player, you're assuming he's going to cut it back onto his left (by which time the defender could be covering) and shoot. We're not there to make assumptions. I just feel it was an obvious opportunity to score a goal
All the talk about what VAR can and can't get involved with, but yesterday showed what a farce it's become. Fact is, in front of millions of people, the keeper has handled the ball outside the area, and the current system (albeit the refereeing team, VAR..whatever) has failed to spot it. Plus it's a possible DOGSO. Refs are not there to decide whether they're going to spoil at cup final. They're there to implement the LOTG. If send off, Henderson has spoiled it, not the ref. This incident has just make life 10 x worse for the rest of us
Think you have your logic the wrong way around there. You say it is a possible DOGSO, but DOGSO is all they can check for, they can't just check for a handball and recommend the referee awards a free kick. They could only recommend a review for DOGSO and if the referee went with their recommendation the outcome would be a red card and DFK. VAR didn't fail to spot the handball, rather they saw it and determined, wrongly in my opinion, that it wasn't DOGSO as Haaland was moving away from goal.
To be fair, Haaland is challenging for the ball and there’s another city player a few feet back and neither appeal. It was a split second decision and nobody realised it was handball until the cameras picked it up.
I think you're missing my point. The whole system is flawed (ie what VAR can and can't give etc). At the end of the day VAR has spotted that the keeper handled outside the area and not even handball was given, let alone DOGSO. When the ref sees that incident on TV I think he'll feel let down by the system
ladbroke8745
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Shouldn't matter if players appeal or not. You know that.
As referees we have to give what we see, not what's appealed.
And you have to admit that the assistant is best placed to see this, even a few yards back.