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Nelson Oliveira after Tyrone Mings ‘accidentally’ stood on his face at Reading today!..... Where is Nurse @Kes when we need him!!! :angel:
 
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Hard to tell if it was intentional from the footage but he’s had previous. Was it Zlatans head he stamped on a few seasons back?
 
This is an interesting incident. I have seen players dismissed for this Mings vs Zlatan a good recent example, but if you look at the clip after the initial challenge Mings is off balance as he has made contact with the Reading defender and is trying to stay on his feet and during that his leg plants on the Reading players face. Foul yes. Yellow card I can see that decision, red card you can certainly call it as SFP because of the injuries no caution can see that as well he is off balance trying to keep on his feet and lands on the defender he isn't looking down but straight ahead so it could be classed as accidental and one of those things. I watched it on the small screen first then enlarged it and I can't see a stamp as such but a continuation of his running. Like I say all three results I can see reasons for. Also the ref has one bite at the cherry for this and the replay is in slow motion so not a real indication of what it looked like in real time.
 
That's a red for me - if he so wished to, he could have avoided it, but he didn't. (Also it's VC not SFP for me)
 
You lot berate me for playing on a bit of snow or puddles and yet you routinely allow players to wear Blades!!! Go figure!! No Blades in the 80s!! :(
 
You lot berate me for playing on a bit of snow or puddles and yet you routinely allow players to wear Blades!!! Go figure!! No Blades in the 80s!! :(
It would have been just the same result with studs........possibly worse with the metal ones.....
 
Hard to tell whether it was intentional, i.e. a stamp.

But, I think it is definitely a strong contender for SFP.

As for allowing players to wear blades, they are allowed
 
Looks deliberate to me, looking down right at him, could've planted his foot anywhere but there. Deserves a long ban.
 
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Can't see the justification for SFP when it's 4-5 seconds between him touching the ball and putting his studs into the other player's face.
 
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This is an interesting incident. I have seen players dismissed for this Mings vs Zlatan a good recent example, but if you look at the clip after the initial challenge Mings is off balance as he has made contact with the Reading defender and is trying to stay on his feet and during that his leg plants on the Reading players face. Foul yes. Yellow card I can see that decision, red card you can certainly call it as SFP because of the injuries no caution can see that as well he is off balance trying to keep on his feet and lands on the defender he isn't looking down but straight ahead so it could be classed as accidental and one of those things. I watched it on the small screen first then enlarged it and I can't see a stamp as such but a continuation of his running. Like I say all three results I can see reasons for. Also the ref has one bite at the cherry for this and the replay is in slow motion so not a real indication of what it looked like in real time.
I think the slow mo shows him looking down...
I like to give players a clean slate but lets face it he has previous... didnt he do the same with Zlatan? Kind of "off balance".
Would like to see an alternative angle to confirm his line of vision but I think, in my opinion, he can avoid this collision.
VC for me as cant be SFP. Ball is long gone and this is secondary to his original challenge for the ball.
 
Only one person knows if this was deliberate or not and thats Mings, thats why its so hard to take any further action.
 
Simple bio-mechanical laws dictate his stride should have been much longer (ahead of his centre of gravity when having forward motion of the body) in order to regain his balance. So his foot should have landed at least half to one one meter further out.

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Now compare this the length of his next stride

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Just this video evidence proves to me it was deliberate on it's own merits (no priors required) and VC.
 
Only one person knows if this was deliberate or not and thats Mings, thats why its so hard to take any further action.

But 'deliberate' isn't in laws so strictly by LOTG - red is surely justified.

We NEVER know what is players' minds - hence law wording avoids 'deliberate' and 'intentional'
 
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