Offside decision

[Samuel]

Had this offside decision in my game last night. Was more than happy that the player was in an offside position but questioning based off this angle if he has actually impacted the keeper. You can see where I was at the end of the clip probably should have been a little bit wider.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968044200680956186

 

[OnlyUseMeWhistle]

Had this offside decision in my game last night. Was more than happy that the player was in an offside position but questioning based off this angle if he has actually impacted the keeper. You can see where I was at the end of the clip probably should have been a little bit wider.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968044200680956186

The reactions lmao

I'd be giving that personally - keeper clearly pauses because he runs across the ball

 

[bester]

Correct for me, although possibly for the wrong reasons.

He doesn't obstruct the goalkeeper's line of vision but there are other parts of interfering with an opponent which are relevant.

 

[one]

Also an offside offence for me.

Completely a different viewing experience with the sound on

 

[Samuel]

Also an offside offence for me.

Completely a different viewing experience with the sound on

If you had heard what the rest of the game was like it would have been so much better

 

[JamesL]

Offside offence for me too.

 

[Archer]

Wonder if that red manager thinks he’s touched it or not.

 

[maninblackoryellow]

I think this is an excellent decision, the player clearly attempts to play the ball which impacts the goalkeeper's ability to react

 

[The Gump]

I don't think you'd need worry about the decision - clearly offside for me as the player makes an obvious action to play the ball with impacts the keeper's ability to play (ie save) it. Easy enough to see on a film but very good decision in the moment.

 

[JamesL]

I think this is an excellent decision, the player clearly attempts to play the ball which impacts the goalkeeper's ability to react

Id actually go as far as to say that this scenario was at least one of, if not, the reason for the text we have in law today.

 

[RefereeX]

Decision is spot on. Out of interest, do you mention in your pre match offside scenarios where a player may be interfering with an opponent but your AR needs information from you to make the decision? If so, what do you ask for?

 

[Samuel]

I think with the position I took up I was double guessing myself quite a bit after the game, hence why I was weary to say 100% the right decision. Very happy that the team it went against managed to get what can only be said as the perfect angle to support the decision.

With all the moaning they then told me during the handshakes I'm the best official they've had all season.

Out of interest, do you mention in your pre match offside scenarios where a player may be interfering with an opponent but your AR needs information from you to make the decision? If so, what do you ask for?

Honestly it depends on if I remember, unfortunately didn’t do it for this game so made it look a bit messy. Definitely never forgetting again though.

 

[Archer]

Might have to ask for Ol’ Sammy’s autograph

 

[RefereeX]

I think with the position I took up I was double guessing myself quite a bit after the game, hence why I was weary to say 100% the right decision. Very happy that the team it went against managed to get what can only be said as the perfect angle to support the decision.

With all the moaning they then told me during the handshakes I'm the best official they've had all season.

Honestly it depends on if I remember, unfortunately didn’t do it for this game so made it look a bit messy. Definitely never forgetting again though.

It wasn't intended as a criticism, I just wondered. Some referees do ask their ARs to flag it so they know to come over for the question but I think the large majority would prefer their AR kept the flag down until the chat had been had.

 

[bester]

It wasn't intended as a criticism, I just wondered. Some referees do ask their ARs to flag it so they know to come over for the question but I think the large majority would prefer their AR kept the flag down until the chat had been had.

If there was no big appeal then many refs wouldn't come over if you were buzzing them and you'd end up with an incorrect decision.

The assistant has all the information in this instance, not so for the typical sight line decision that the just buzz pre-match instruction is aimed at.

 

[RustyRef]

Looks spot on for me, you can see that the keeper delays his dive because of the offside player, I think he saves that if the attacker isn't present.

That said, it does fly in the face of common pre-match instructions, as I've often heard that if there is no appeal and the keeper is just picking the ball out of the goal, as he was here, to not get involved. I am surprised by the keeper's reaction, or rather lack of reaction.

 

[RefereeX]

If there was no big appeal then many refs wouldn't come over if you were buzzing them and you'd end up with an incorrect decision.

The assistant has all the information in this instance, not so for the typical sight line decision that the just buzz pre-match instruction is aimed at.

Not sure I’d agree. A very good, very experienced AR would probably have all the info they need but would still probably confirm with the referee on comms before flagging. At this level I’m not sure I’d want the AR to be taking this into his own hands.

 

[one]

Lack of apeal almost certainly represent lack of knowing the laws. The manager's reaction proves the point.

It's our job to know and apply the laws. Going by appeals is just a bugbear of mine. Similar to not giving a pen if the player doesn't go down in a careless tackle.

Not sure I’d agree. A very good, very experienced AR would probably have all the info they need but would still probably confirm with the referee on comms before flagging. At this level I’m not sure I’d want the AR to be taking this into his own hands.

Agree. Thought if it was a more obvious action by attacker and reaction by keeper, I don't mind AR flagging it without consult.
On more subtle ones, without comms, no flag and no moving up filed. Stand your ground and I'd know something is wrong and come over for a chat.

 

[Samuel]

When I do remember, I usually ask them to keep it down and buzz me, purely because if it is potential line of sight I can wave it down if I know he isn't, and if there are question marks it means that we can manage it before we commit to an issue.

The lack of appeal is probably because the GK was quite young and inexperienced

 

[bester]

When I do remember, I usually ask them to keep it down and buzz me, purely because if it is potential line of sight I can wave it down if I know he isn't, and if there are question marks it means that we can manage it before we commit to an issue.

The lack of appeal is probably because the GK was quite young and inexperienced

If he'd buzzed and there was no appeals would you have gone over?