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Correct end result after the VAR intervention. But further proof that they aren’t very good at identifying SFP
Newcastle vs Liverpool
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Hoopers bar has been all over the place in this game.
I think he tried to start with a high tolerance, then realised it was getting too rough and so inevitably when he does start pulling out cards, realises he needs to regain control and hands them out like confetti.
I think he tried to start with a high tolerance, then realised it was getting too rough and so inevitably when he does start pulling out cards, realises he needs to regain control and hands them out like confetti.
Apparently the Premier League won't be showing "ref cam" on red card decisions so we never know what the referee has seen but it looked a red card right away, speed, intensity, tackle from behind.
This referee speaking to the crowd adds nothing for me, barely heard some of what Simon Hooper has said, just show the red card if that is your decision.
This referee speaking to the crowd adds nothing for me, barely heard some of what Simon Hooper has said, just show the red card if that is your decision.
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Sock coming down was a bit of a clue as to the point of contact not being low.
Good to see a strong immediate flag from the assistant will be interesting to see what he recommended.
Gordon has that in him, big risk to.play him for England.
Chris Sutton was saying it was low until the fourth replay, then again he didn't notice the deflection on the goal either
Good to see a strong immediate flag from the assistant will be interesting to see what he recommended.
Gordon has that in him, big risk to.play him for England.
Chris Sutton was saying it was low until the fourth replay, then again he didn't notice the deflection on the goal either
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It's for the fans in the stadium who haven't just seen all the replays with commentary.
I don't think that was easy to see real time, it happened so quickly. You've then got the lack of reaction from Van Dijk, he was even having a smile with Gordon as he showed him the stud marks. The give away was the sock getting peeled down his leg, but I'll be big enough to admit I didn't see that until the replay, original thought was it was one of those typical challenges where the striker goes to block the ball and gets there late.
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Top flight officials should be seeing such things. Saying it happened too quickly is a kop out. It was hardly on his blindside
Trippier has been a lucky boy to not yet be booked
Trippier has been a lucky boy to not yet be booked
Also the quick card makes sense because of how heated the match had been. But I think if he was able to take a few seconds to see VVD, maybe they get it live.
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Liverpool weren’t very good by any stretch and were very lucky. But thought Hooper was poor tonight. Foul recognition all over the show. Missed the SFP. Lost count of how many times he delayed a corner being taken to talk to people.
Disagree, yes he is going to get an incorrect KMD for the missed red card but I'm not convinced many, if any, referees (from any country) would see that real time. It was a very difficult game, Newcastle in particular came out extremely physical and if he'd gone wading in with yellow cards early on he'd have killed it as a spectacle. There were 21 fouls committed in the first half alone, I can't ever remember seeing that many in a half, you often don't get that many in a full game
And it was just that, a spectacle, one of the best Premier League games I've seen in a long time. He wasn't perfect by any stretch, but certainly don't think he was poor.
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He was extremely inconsistent with his foul recognition. The constant delays at corners for him to earn players just started to frustrate everyone. Give them a warning, then take action. Don’t warn them over and over.
That comes down to guidance they are given though, they are told to hold the restart to warn. I don't agree with it, but every PGMOL referee does it. I watched Sam Allison waste at least 5 minutes doing it last season, and whilst that was the worst even the elite referees do it.
Don't agree on his foul detection, he started off letting a lot go and then when he realised it was too heated he started cracking down on everything. That's almost textbook refereeing, changing your involvement based on the temperature of the game and at levels where you are observed is likely to earn kudos for match control.
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I’m not convinced that they are given guidance to delay restarts over and over to warn players over the same stuff. And if it is, it’s extremely poor guidance.
Don’t agree on the fouls. And I don’t think top flight officials should be missing SFP like that. We literally had this conversation on another thread earlier today and yesterday.
Conversely, give a yellow card when the Liverpool player is kicked in the head within 5 minutes and maybe you find the players respond and it ends up a more controlled game? He often pitches it too tolerant for my liking, and I think in future this game will be the case study for why I don't like starting games with an intent to be lenient.
If it isn't guidance why do they all do it? Even Oliver and Taylor who are elite FIFA referees?
And that’s fair enough - some will and some won’t. Some will base it on their experience and some may just be down to how they always do their games - no initial right or wrong, but all depends what the outcome is - control or lack of control.
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I’ve never ever seen them do it anywhere as near as much as Hooper did tonight. There’s no benefit, only frustration for people as it delays the restart. People want the game flowing
I still can't help but feel without VAR, Hooper may of went red right away. I think with VAR there is a safety net to fall back on and secondly the pressure of showing a red card in a big game involving big teams and getting it wrong is perhaps too big for the SG1 refs who been reffing largely with VAR in the background.
Your more experienced refs like Oliver/Taylor if they see a challenge like that may of gone red right away albeit in Michael Oliver's case what happened at Wolves last season may make him err on the side of caution also like in the Palace Millwall game.
I know I recycle the same old argument but SFP tackles I feel are reducing the PL but when they do occur, referees in the main are just not recognising them often enough.
Your more experienced refs like Oliver/Taylor if they see a challenge like that may of gone red right away albeit in Michael Oliver's case what happened at Wolves last season may make him err on the side of caution also like in the Palace Millwall game.
I know I recycle the same old argument but SFP tackles I feel are reducing the PL but when they do occur, referees in the main are just not recognising them often enough.
I don't think the SFP was easy for Hooper to see in real time at all. Even on the replay in real time it looks like Gordon retracts his right foot at the last moment to possibly connect with Van Djik's heel but to go yellow first was certainly understandable.
Of course the VAR slo mo shows us exactly what happened and Gordon can have no complaints.
Good observation point for us as referees though - player arriving from distance at pace, high initial point of contact - one to watch out for ...
Of course the VAR slo mo shows us exactly what happened and Gordon can have no complaints.
Good observation point for us as referees though - player arriving from distance at pace, high initial point of contact - one to watch out for ...
