If you had the voice memo option then every caution would be for "You're f*ing having a joke ref!"
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Following this suggestion I've added voice memo to my Ref screen setup on my watch so if needed I can quickly make a memo. I don't see me using it for normal cautions but some times when things are a bit more complicated and a narrative could be helpful.
The problem with this is CFAs have hundreds, if not thousands, of incorrect cautions every weekend because the number on the team sheet was wrong. Just take the names, it saves everyone a load of trouble.
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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Sadly, it's a weekly occurrence in CFA Disciplinary Offices and extra work for the RDO's, chasing numbers of referees who submit incorrect reports.
Simple to get right, lazy if wrong.
Archer
🟨 C1 (BE)
Can only imagine!
Had a fun one a fortnight ago. Two yellows: Player from away side gives the name of a player from the home team who is injured and not in the match day squad. Few minutes later (the second caution) and a home player gives his name as the away player who’d got that previous yellow.
Crikey, we’re massively O/T
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Good thing you completely ignored the names given and went by the shirt number, otherwise you might have shown red after the second yellow!Can only imagine!
Had a fun one a fortnight ago. Two yellows: Player from away side gives the name of a player from the home team who is injured and not in the match day squad. Few minutes later (the second caution) and a home player gives his name as the away player who’d got that previous yellow.
Crikey, we’re massively O/T
Archer
🟨 C1 (BE)
Was an interesting exchange of emails with CFA for sure
No idea what either of them was playing at.It is absolutely correct, they waste a massive amount of time due to referees reporting the wrong player name. Think it through, if only 1 in 100 team sheets are wrong (and it is way more than that in my experience) that is hundreds if not thousands of incorrect names submitted.
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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Do we know that it is only in England? Any contributions from elsewhere welcome!
I certainly recall people on here from Scotland, Australia and the US say that relying on team sheets/team lines and therefore going through the quicker and easier process of writing a shirt number then showing a card rather than having to engage with the player is perfectly normal.
And in real life, I've had an Italian AR give me feedback that he thought my card-giving was slow and wound players up, and a Croatian ref I AR'd for who definitely didn't bother with the slower process. But yeah, happy to hear more input!
And in real life, I've had an Italian AR give me feedback that he thought my card-giving was slow and wound players up, and a Croatian ref I AR'd for who definitely didn't bother with the slower process. But yeah, happy to hear more input!
Perhaps they have a culture of accurate and consistent team sheets? Most leagues have rules about providing them that they don't bother to enforce
Think it might be the different culture of football in England. I've managed teams, and at the time I was supposed to be submitting the team sheet I was inevitably chasing late players, putting up the nets and corner flags (because the players couldn't be bothered), often chasing the referee who more often wasn't even there at the supposed team sheet exchange, and so on. Which means I was rushing, and that leads to mistakes.
In my experience the team sheet numbers are much more reliable on Saturdays than Sundays, which perhaps adds weight to the "drunkenness" element.
Scotty Ref
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In Scotland team lines are used in every competitive match from the lowest youth/grassroots level all the way up to the SPFL. Although leagues require different information at a minimum the referee must write the final score and subs used on the form. Other leagues can require both half time and full time scores, goal scorers and times, and subs on, player off and time. The teamlines are then submitted via post/electronically to the appropriate league secretary.
It is the responsibility of the team to ensure that all their details, shirt number, player name and reg number are completed accurately.
As a result, most referees in Scotland will now just take a number rather than a name, and this means the caution procedure can be completed quickly.
Mistakes can and do arise with teamlines but the emphasis is on the clubs to ensure they are correct rather than the match referee having to double check the clubs have completed them properly. Last season I was involved in a match where home number 3 was sent off, terrible tackle, quick card, no name asking to get him out of there.
I reported Mr X who was listed as number 3 on the teamline. The club appealed the sending off on the grounds that they had made an error on the teamline and it was actually Mr Y who was sent off (he had been listed as 15).
At the disciplinary hearing the committee transferred the ban from Mr X to Mr Y and also fined the club £50 for improperly completing their teamlines that caused this situation.