Liverpool vs Everton

[bester]

Pickford could've easily got a red card as well.

 

[RustyRef]

Don’t think he handled the situation with Nunez and Pickford very well. Should have left Nunez to be treated off the field and got himself and all the players back playing from the free kick, but it certainly wasn’t an easy game to keep a lid on which he did for most of the game.

What was he supposed to do? Nunez brought himself back onto the pitch to make sure play couldn't restart, and he was correctly cautioned for it. A referee can't physically prevent a player from doing something.

 

[Hilly1618]

What was he supposed to do? Nunez brought himself back onto the pitch to make sure play couldn't restart, and he was correctly cautioned for it. A referee can't physically prevent a player from doing something.

Personally think he had ample opportunity to be away from the situation and getting play resumed. Nunez clearly off the pitch, medics arriving to treat him so let’s just get on with it.

 

[deusex]

Pickford could've easily got a red card as well.

He knew exactly what he was doing.
Easy yellow card at least.

Ref looked nervous and indecisive but we're now reaping the results of MO and AT refereeing every single big game since I think Clattenburg packed it in.

 

[RustyRef]

Personally think he had ample opportunity to be away from the situation and getting play resumed. Nunez clearly off the pitch, medics arriving to treat him so let’s just get on with it.

That isn't how it works at senior level. Medics might have been arriving but they weren't there, and there's no way a professional referee is restarting play in that situation. Nunez was encouraged to roll back on, he got a caution for it, that is pretty much all the referee can do in that situation.

 

[RefereeX]

I’m watching sky sports news and Jesus Christ it is infuriating.
Nobody in the world is saying this isn’t a bad decision, but they are just talking utter tripe.
They’re referring to the PGMOL tweet saying that it was deemed to be reckless and saying that the fact it’s twice been described as reckless suggests it should be a red among other idiotic statements.

 

[RustyRef]

He knew exactly what he was doing.
Easy yellow card at least.

Ref looked nervous and indecisive but we're now reaping the results of MO and AT refereeing every single big game since I think Clattenburg packed it in.

Whatever can be said about his decisions, the one thing that I don't think can be said about Sam Barrott is that he looks nervous or indecisive. I'm not sure I've ever seen a "new" referee come on the scene and look more confident and decisive, and he had absolute control of this game tonight. I'd say he looks pretty much unflappable, his body language never changes.

 

[Runner Ref]

I’m watching sky sports news and Jesus Christ it is infuriating.
Nobody in the world is saying this isn’t a bad decision, but they are just talking utter tripe.
They’re referring to the PGMOL tweet saying that it was deemed to be reckless and saying that the fact it’s twice been described as reckless suggests it should be a red among other idiotic statements.

Tbf, multiple PGMOL officials looked at the challenge and deemed it to be reckless. That’s just as idiotic…….

 

[RustyRef]

I’m watching sky sports news and Jesus Christ it is infuriating.
Nobody in the world is saying this isn’t a bad decision, but they are just talking utter tripe.
They’re referring to the PGMOL tweet saying that it was deemed to be reckless and saying that the fact it’s twice been described as reckless suggests it should be a red among other idiotic statements.

I don't really think those PGMOL tweets help, they are clearly made by non-referees and are just repeating what was said by the VAR officials. It would be better if they had a referee on duty who could give the actual reasons, but equally I doubt the general public want to hear this.

 

[GraemeS]

What was he supposed to do? Nunez brought himself back onto the pitch to make sure play couldn't restart, and he was correctly cautioned for it. A referee can't physically prevent a player from doing something.

Play the obvious advantage that would have made it a live incident in the first place?

Booked Pickford for booting Nunez?

Point out to Nunez he can either roll back off the pitch to be treated or take a yellow?

It was a messy incident all round, we do match officials no favours by ignoring improvements they could have made.

 

[RustyRef]

Play the obvious advantage that would have made it a live incident in the first place?

Booked Pickford for booting Nunez?

Point out to Nunez he can either roll back off the pitch to be treated or take a yellow?

It was a messy incident all round, we do match officials no favours by ignoring improvements they could have made.

There's no real obvious advantage there from my recollection.

Yes, he could, arguably should, have cautioned Pickford for the kick, but we all know as referees (and not fans) that it becomes complicated after play has already been stopped.

I'm pretty sure sure he told Nunez to stay off the pitch, he was on the scene straight away and was clearly managing it. Not a great deal you can then do if he then rolls back on other than caution him.

 

[one]

Without doubt this is a major part of it.

If you ever attend a dev evening, they will almost always mention ‘you’re managing an event’. This is all well and good, but sometimes you just have to deal with what you see in front of you. And PGMOL, especially with SFP, have a major issue

'Managing the event' on an obvious SFP like this is just a cop out IMO. Is it not an event on other occasions when they do deservedly decide it is a red card? Why are they not managed?

Managing the event should be for decisions that can go either way which is not this. The real reason here is, refs relying on VAR, and VAR not coming good.

I would love to see the EPL stats on per season 'on field decision reds' pre and post VAR. Shouldn't be too hard to research given we know the number of total reds and VAR based reds (and reds reversed).

 

[HonestRef]

There's no real obvious advantage there from my recollection.

Yes, he could, arguably should, have cautioned Pickford for the kick, but we all know as referees (and not fans) that it becomes complicated after play has already been stopped.

I'm pretty sure sure he told Nunez to stay off the pitch, he was on the scene straight away and was clearly managing it. Not a great deal you can then do if he then rolls back on other than caution him.

Seemed obvious the break was on to me I was shocked initially it was pulled back but it is what it is with that very much a judgement call.

The Red Card not being given at least by VAR baffles me more.

 

[Paul_10]

'Managing the event' on an obvious SFP like this is just a cop out IMO. Is it not an event on other occasions when they do deservedly decide it is a red card? Why are they not managed?

Managing the event should be for decisions that can go either way which is not this. The real reason here is, refs relying on VAR, and VAR not coming good.

I would love to see the EPL stats on per season 'on field decision reds' pre and post VAR. Shouldn't be too hard to research given we know the number of total reds and VAR based reds (and reds reversed).

I don't even buy into managing the event scenario, I think what we are seeing is SG1 referees who joined the group from 2018/2019 are not brave enough and the threshold in the PL of SFP was exposed by the introduction of VAR in the first season or two. I remember saying there has been far too many times where a yellow has been upgraded to a red however what we are now seeing is less interference from VAR but still the impression I get are the newer SG1 referees are just not brave enough to produce a red just incase they are wrong as a red being downgraded to a yellow would be seen as a worst error than the other way round. Also the scrunity of getting it wrong could be a factor as we saw with Michael Oliver in 2 incidents recently.

I do think the older more senior referees in Anthony Taylor and Michael Oliver(before all the nonsense a few months back) would back themselves to show a red here even if it is early in the match and he took the ball because they have more than enough experience of judging what is a red without resorting to a monitor.

 

[deusex]

Surely SFP is the one offence that cannot be managed?
You can manage (ignore) OFFINABUS, you can even manage certain VC incidents.
Attempting to manage SFP is a failure of your most important job (protect the players).
At what level does "The Event" overtake player safety?
Way above my level that's for sure.

 

[cwyeary]

I don't even know where we can go in England if professional referees can see this on video and say "not a clear red card".

 

[Runner Ref]

'Managing the event' on an obvious SFP like this is just a cop out IMO. Is it not an event on other occasions when they do deservedly decide it is a red card? Why are they not managed?

Managing the event should be for decisions that can go either way which is not this. The real reason here is, refs relying on VAR, and VAR not coming good.

I would love to see the EPL stats on per season 'on field decision reds' pre and post VAR. Shouldn't be too hard to research given we know the number of total reds and VAR based reds (and reds reversed).

Because ‘managing the event’ is more nonsense they spout to referees progressing through the system, which then gives more room for inconsistency. That’s kind of my point……

All in all, don’t think Barrott was great last night. Missed the SFP, let a lot of dissent go unpunished and don’t think he managed the incident for the Nunez yellow very well.

He’s a very good up and coming referee, but last night wasn't great at all.

 

[Runner Ref]

Agree in some cases, but in this one look how quickly he gives a free kick and pulls the yellow out. Feels like it was a very instinctive decision that he has just got wrong, I don't think there was enough time for him to think through the potential magnitude of giving a red card so early in a derby.

It is a real pity for Sam Barrott as, aside from this incident, he was outstanding tonight.

Think you’re being a bit kind to say he was outstanding

 

[RefereeX]

I don't think 'managing the event' has anything to do with this... it's just a howler of a mistake from Tierney not to intervene unfortunately.

 

[Runner Ref]

I don't think 'managing the event' has anything to do with this... it's just a howler of a mistake from Tierney not to intervene unfortunately.

Disagree, I think it plays big part in back of his mind. It’s the first 10 mins or so and this is the first card of the game.