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Leeds v Everton

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Real time I thought it was handball so I do have sympathy with the onfield officials. Not really sure what justification VAR has though as after only one replay it was clear it was a natural position.
 
I’m conflicted whether it is or isn’t a handball. It’s pretty clear Kavanagh wasn’t sure and relied on input from his assistant - hence the delay in giving the decision.

I think whatever decision was given on the field (handball or no handball), VAR was never going to overturn it as replays showed it was quite subjective.
 
Deflection + by his side. Way way worse have been done and not given. I would be extremely upset if I were chris kavanagh and seeing that VAR failed to overturn what is clearly a mistake
 
I think in UEFA competitions you expect that to stand as a penalty but in the Premier League where natural position, arms unnaturally bigger all come into play, I'm surprised it wasn't reviewed personally.

I don't think there is an obvious unnatural movement towards the ball either. It does feel a harsh decision.
 
Paul_10 said:
I think in UEFA competitions you expect that to stand as a penalty but in the Premier League where natural position, arms unnaturally bigger all come into play, I'm surprised it wasn't reviewed personally.

I don't think there is an obvious unnatural movement towards the ball either. It does feel a harsh decision.
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That was my thought. I personally disagree with how lax England/PGMOL have been with handling in England but at least there was some consistency last year.
 
BCMilan said:
Oops ! Am I the only one that thinks it's a pen then ? :facepalm:
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As I said above, I’m conflicted.

Tarkowski, in my opinion, deliberately leans into an action to block the ball where his body can’t reach it, but his arm by his side can.

So despite his arm being in a natural position, it could be construed as a deliberate act.

However I fully admit on a Saturday afternoon I’m probably not ever giving it!

Hence my opinion that VAR wouldn’t have overturned the on-field decision
 
I think that's a nailed on pen personally. Ball's travelled a decent distance and he's blocked the shot with his arm, having your arm by your side doesn't give you licence to lean into the ball and block it.
 
es1 said:
I think that's a nailed on pen personally. Ball's travelled a decent distance and he's blocked the shot with his arm, having your arm by your side doesn't give you licence to lean into the ball and block it.
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Exactly. He knew the shot was coming and could easily have put it behind his back (like John Terry / Gary Cahill used to do)
 
Tarkowski moves his body towards the ball because he is a defender who wants to block the shot. In doing so, his arm is by his side in a natural position.
In my mind the “moving the hand towards the ball” justification is for situations like the Liverpool v Bournemouth game where the hand itself is moved towards the ball. In Tarkowski’s case he is moving his whole body to block it and in doing so his arm forms part of his body.

BCMilan said:
Exactly. He knew the shot was coming and could easily have put it behind his back (like John Terry / Gary Cahill used to do)
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Diving across with hands behind your back is arguably more unnatural surely? Tarkowski’s block is exactly how I’d expect a defender to block a shot like that.
 
Fair point. But why did all the other Everton defenders have their arms behind their backs if leaving them in a natural position is perfectly fine ?
 
My immediate reaction was penalty, he leant his body towards the ball and that resulted in his arm being an extension of his body. But then I saw the replay and he really did try to keep that arm pinned by his body. Another one of those I think that VAR are neither overruling nor awarding had the referee not given it.
 
es1 said:
I think that's a nailed on pen personally. Ball's travelled a decent distance and he's blocked the shot with his arm, having your arm by your side doesn't give you licence to lean into the ball and block it.
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Was it not all part of the natural movement though, I don't think it's a deliberate movement to block the ball with his arm, it was barely a lean towards his left hand side.

I'll get it more if he had an unobstructed view and he makes an obvious movement left or right and it hits his arm but there was bodies in the way and a deflection. Just feel so harsh especially with the PL higher threshold on handball.
 
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