Is this a foul throw?
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Most threads here going multiple pages are about subjective decisions that are 50-50 either way? This thread is the same.
The action meets all law requirements. The only doubt is if you believe it is a throw (or a drop). Given lack of law definition we go to the English definition. Keep in mind different dictionaries may define them differently and some words in the definitions need to be defined themselves.
Throw: propel (something) with force through the air by a movement of the arm and hand.
(Drop: let or make (something) fall vertically).
If the video is an incorrectly taken throw in or not is open to your interpretations of what constitutes a 'throw'. For me it is a throw and I'd be letting it go especially at that level.
The action meets all law requirements. The only doubt is if you believe it is a throw (or a drop). Given lack of law definition we go to the English definition. Keep in mind different dictionaries may define them differently and some words in the definitions need to be defined themselves.
Throw: propel (something) with force through the air by a movement of the arm and hand.
(Drop: let or make (something) fall vertically).
If the video is an incorrectly taken throw in or not is open to your interpretations of what constitutes a 'throw'. For me it is a throw and I'd be letting it go especially at that level.
I think part of it has to do with the myths out there. If you can justify it in law, then all good. I can't argue with you if you say in your interpretation it is not a 'throw' action.
one
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One action? I guess you can infer that from the law but it is not in the law. In any case I see it as one action even though the action slows down twards the end. The slow motion replays don't help. See the full speed at the start.
Start over the head? Not sure about that. The law says "from behind and over the head"
As I said, the only possible doubt is, is it a throw action?
I would've classed the clip above as a 'drop', rather than a throw. I may be wrong, but I don't see a throwing action.
This is just another of those things in football that referees will never always agree on at times, just like handball, point of player becoming active for offside, careless/reckless/UEF, and so on...
There is a club operating at step 4, and if you've officiated them you'll definitely know who I'm on about, where the secretary always makes a point of letting you know pre-match that her pet peeve is foul throws and it annoys her that referees don't penalise them.
Most of the time, they aren't even foul throws! But I did find one to appease her
Most of the time, they aren't even foul throws! But I did find one to appease her
So what do you take away from this response? What did it clarify? They say it's "usually considered"? What is IFAB's position on it?
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That IFAB doesn’t care enough about it to do any clarification?
With the context of the question they are suggesting that when I see this penalised it is dropped not thrown.
It's not really accurate as we routinely see balls thrown downwards penalised. I take from the response that they are penalised incorrectly and my own interpretations seem in line with what is expected of a throw in by those that write the law
one
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This might help.
Picture that being done underarm. And picture it done with one hand. Now picture that action being done by a referee at a dropped ball. Would you be happy with that action?
I'd say that may also be split opinion, but if I see it at a game I'm assessing/observing, I'd advise the referee to get to the spot and drop it properly, don't throw it (if there is nothing better to discuss).
Picture that being done underarm. And picture it done with one hand. Now picture that action being done by a referee at a dropped ball. Would you be happy with that action?
I'd say that may also be split opinion, but if I see it at a game I'm assessing/observing, I'd advise the referee to get to the spot and drop it properly, don't throw it (if there is nothing better to discuss
).
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This might help.
Picture that being done underarm. And picture it done with one hand. Now picture that action being done by a referee at a dropped ball. Would you be happy with that action?
I'd say that may also be split opinion, but if I see it at a game I'm assessing/observing, I'd advise the referee to get to the spot and drop it properly, don't throw it (if there is nothing better to discuss
one
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What differentiates a throw from a drop is the "forward push" (propelling) of the ball. This video for me doesn't have enough of it it call it a throw. The hand is more under the ball than behind it. I see distinct differences between it and the OP.
Having said that, neither is ideal (good looking). Op is an ugly throw, the quoted vid is an ugly drop
. First time I've used that term.