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Handball? (Hungarian league)

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This week's controversy in the Hungarian league concerns a handball situation. It was not given (not even after the VAR review). Was it because he didn't made himself unnaturally bigger and his hand was not above his shoulder either (this are the two suggestions)? Cheers and thanks in advance!

 
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Too close. Not expected. Arm is in a natural position for the movement in that specific situation. There is not risk being taken by making the body bigger.
We really need to go back to something like we had or we really need to get all the key stakeholders in a room to thrash out what is and isn't handball and some one who is really good at articulating and writing that into implementable rules. Handball is probably the biggest controversy in football these days with pretty much every decision for or against handball coming under significant scrutiny.
 
Too close. Not expected. Arm is in a natural position for the movement in that specific situation. There is not risk being taken by making the body bigger.
We really need to go back to something like we had or we really need to get all the key stakeholders in a room to thrash out what is and isn't handball and some one who is really good at articulating and writing that into implementable rules. Handball is probably the biggest controversy in football these days with pretty much every decision for or against handball coming under significant scrutiny.
After his career, Sandor Puhl (the Hungarian ref at the 1994 WC final and the 1997 CL final) was a TV pundit. He always used the expression: "if the hand 'searched for' the ball, it's a handball, if the ball 'searched for' the hand, it's not" . I don't know if that was a better rule (or rule of thumb), but certainly lot more clearer for the fans than the current ones. Too complicated rules lead into inconsistency or at least the the appearance of inconsistency.
 
Too close. Not expected. Arm is in a natural position for the movement in that specific situation. There is not risk being taken by making the body bigger.
@JamesL is spot on here. Arm is out from his body but also in a natural position. Was where you'd expect it to be based on his body movement.

If arm is out and not natural, the handball call will be much more likely.

Also close enough that it doesn't seem like it was purposeful.

Not purposeful + natural position = no handball
 
Unexpected ball is playing a pretty big role with UEFA and FIFA instructions.

You see a stricter enforcement on natural position with blocked shots and crosses because it's not an unexpected ball. Even it it comes from a short distance at high speed, the defender is taking an action to block the shot/cross and must take more care to get their arm out of the way.

So I agree on no offense here.
 
Unexpected ball is playing a pretty big role with UEFA and FIFA instructions.

You see a stricter enforcement on natural position with blocked shots and crosses because it's not an unexpected ball. Even it it comes from a short distance at high speed, the defender is taking an action to block the shot/cross and must take more care to get their arm out of the way.
This makes a lot of sense--the whole evolution of "unnatural position" was about actions that were well disguised deliberate actions. Where there is no likelihood of a ball going somewhere, that logic really doesn't apply--and is really a clue that the arm position actually was the natural position for what the player was doing, as it wasn't there for nefarious reasons. (I still think IFAB made a serious mistake by making unnatural position a separate consideration rather than a kind of deliberate action in how they wrote it up, as it encourages things getting detached from the core of the concept of why it is there.)
 
Absolutely shouldn't be given.
Absolutely would be given in the EPL, ECL and World Cup thanks to some idiots that decided the laws needed tweaking.
 
This week's controversy in the Hungarian league concerns a handball situation. It was not given (not even after the VAR review). Was it because he didn't made himself unnaturally bigger and his hand was not above his shoulder either (this are the two suggestions)? Cheers and thanks in advance!

I believe if that happened in front of the goal, would have been a pk. Not sure if considered DOGSO; very tricky situation.
 
After his career, Sandor Puhl (the Hungarian ref at the 1994 WC final and the 1997 CL final) was a TV pundit. He always used the expression: "if the hand 'searched for' the ball, it's a handball, if the ball 'searched for' the hand, it's not" . I don't know if that was a better rule (or rule of thumb), but certainly lot more clearer for the fans than the current ones. Too complicated rules lead into inconsistency or at least the the appearance of inconsistency.
I have been involved with officiating for 45 years and the offside rule has ALWAYS been a morass of inconsistency. Even when it simply said: to be handball it must be deliberate. What could be simpler or clearer? Yet every single ref, player or spectator had their own idea what "deliberate" meant, and there were constant arguments. IFAB have tried very hard to find a wording that everyone agrees with, and to give the consistency you demand. But everyone has their own idea of what the Law SHOULD BE and is therefore unhappy to accept it for what it is.
 
Key principles for me, you can’t take your arms off and what is the reaction time the player had, unless they are doing a star jump to make their body bigger, then play on.
 
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