Goal kick taken in wrong place

[Gamespoiler]

Last night I was AR. GK placed the ball at least 1 yard outside the 6 yd box and looked across at me before it was kicked. I signalled to move the ball back which he did. 2 mins later same scenario apart from a defender placed the ball there. The GK looked to me again but before he could move the ball the defender took the Goal kick. I raised my flag immediately but this wasn’t seen by the referee until the attacking cream had regained possession and was about to enter the penalty area. Referee then blew. This led to alsorts of abuse from spectators, the bench and players. The ref took an age to come over thinking I’d raised for offside which it clearly wasn’t. I explained where the goal kick was taken and that it should be retaken. Instead he awarded an indirect free kick to the attacking team, first outside the area then just outside the 6 yard box. There was no goal thankfully.,I’m assuming under law, the correct restart would be for the goal kick to be retaken??

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Last night I was AR. GK placed the ball at least 1 yard outside the 6 yd box and looked across at me before it was kicked. I signalled to move the ball back which he did. 2 mins later same scenario apart from a defender placed the ball there. The GK looked to me again but before he could move the ball the defender took the Goal kick. I raised my flag immediately but this wasn’t seen by the referee until the attacking cream had regained possession and was about to enter the penalty area. Referee then blew. This led to alsorts of abuse from spectators, the bench and players. The ref took an age to come over thinking I’d raised for offside which it clearly wasn’t. I explained where the goal kick was taken and that it should be retaken. Instead he awarded an indirect free kick to the attacking team, first outside the area then just outside the 6 yard box. There was no goal thankfully.,I’m assuming under law, the correct restart would be for the goal kick to be retaken??

A re-take it is!

 

[Kes]

Don't know what the ref was thinking but if I were in your situation, once the other team had regained possession, I'd have just put my flag down and carried on as if nothing had happened ...

 

[socal lurker]

Don't know what the ref was thinking but if I were in your situation, once the other team had regained possession, I'd have just put my flag down and carried on as if nothing had happened ...

Perhaps practical at low levels but incorrect in Law. Advantage cannot be played on an improper restart, and the AR already concluded it was not trifling when he raised his flag.

 

[GraemeS]

But the AR technically doesn't get to make that decision, they are only recommending a decision. However inadvisedly, the referee can decide they don't want to penalise for it - in which case, we have an "incorrect" stoppage and the correct restart would be a drop ball either to the attacking team if outside the PA, or to the GK if they had made it back in?

 

[socal lurker]

But the AR technically doesn't get to make that decision, they are only recommending a decision. However inadvisedly, the referee can decide they don't want to penalise for it - in which case, we have an "incorrect" stoppage and the correct restart would be a drop ball either to the attacking team if outside the PA, or to the GK if they had made it back in?

True enough. There is no universe in which the attacking IFK is remotely defensible. (Well, OK, there used to be such a universe . . . us high school soccer used to give an IFK to the team in possession rather than a DB in most situations, but I doubt a ref in the UK could use that as an excuse . . . )

 

[bester]

Were the team losing? Goalkeepers do this to waste time knowing the assistant will signal and get the ball moved back. Some also do it to wind up the crowd.

Referee should be aware after the first instance and warn the goalkeeper.

 

[RustyRef]

Tricky one this, you are almost damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you leave the flag up you and the referee will get pelters if he comes back and a promising attack gets stopped. If you drop it you might yet away with it, but equally someone might have seen it, and if a goal is scored down the other end there are going to be questions about why you had the flag up.

Think I would be screaming at the referee as soon as I realised he missed me.

 

[Gabriel]

Think I would be screaming at the referee as soon as I realised he missed me.

On the very few occasions I've had NAR's, I have always told them to leave it a few seconds and then shout ref as loud as they can. Then it's my job to signal that I've seen it if I haven't already done so.

 

[socal lurker]

On the very few occasions I've had NAR's, I have always told them to leave it a few seconds and then shout ref as loud as they can. Then it's my job to signal that I've seen it if I haven't already done so.

I tell them to yell “flag.” Ref can sound too much like “red” of some names, and players and coaches can be yelling “ref” for a whole host of reasons that we tune out.. “Flag” is a fairly distinct word that there is only one reason anyone calls on the field. (I don’t have them use my name, as it is a common name and can get lost among the players.)

 

[santa sangria]

Tricky one this, you are almost damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you leave the flag up you and the referee will get pelters if he comes back and a promising attack gets stopped. If you drop it you might yet away with it, but equally someone might have seen it, and if a goal is scored down the other end there are going to be questions about why you had the flag up.

Think I would be screaming at the referee as soon as I realised he missed me.

Screaming is the answer.
And if the ref doesn’t hear at least you tried and kept trying.

 

[Kes]

I tell them to yell “flag.” Ref can sound too much like “red” of some names, and players and coaches can be yelling “ref” for a whole host of reasons that we tune out.. “Flag” is a fairly distinct word that there is only one reason anyone calls on the field. (I don’t have them use my name, as it is a common name and can get lost among the players.)

In the UK I'd be more inclined to shout "LINO!"

 

[Gamespoiler]

There were a few hundred people in attendance as it was a final so was quite noisy. I did shout ref and must have looked a right plonker. All I was thinking was if a goal is scored now in the final and this has been ignored it'll look so bad. Not as bad though if the team had scored from the incorrect IDFK

 

[one]

But the AR technically doesn't get to make that decision, they are only recommending a decision. However inadvisedly, the referee can decide they don't want to penalise for it - in which case, we have an "incorrect" stoppage and the correct restart would be a drop ball either to the attacking team if outside the PA, or to the GK if they had made it back in?

I don't quite know if I understand you. There is no penalising in retaking an incorrect restart. And there is no recommendation from AR. The AR simply alerts the referee to facts from his viewpoint. Just like when a ball goes out over sideline and comes back in and players continue playing. The AR raises flag to alert the referee of the ball going out. The only thing the referee can say is, in my opinion the ball didn't go out, or in OP kick was taken from inside the GA. One thing the referee can't say is I agree the ball went out but I am not restarting with. TI. Or I agree the kick was taken from outside PA (and it was not trifling) but I will not do a retake.

I do agree with you though on the restart if the referee stops play.

 

[GraemeS]

Don't over-fixate on the word "penalise". Anything the AR signals for is technically within the referee's power to disagree with and wave down. Sometimes that's the correct thing to do, sometimes it's a poor judgement call and sometimes that means he'll be wrong in law to do so. Doesn't stop him doing so.

 

[george.g]

Ref can sound too much like “red”

The worst offender of this is the instruction ‘press’, always make me turn my head

 

[RustyRef]

Don't over-fixate on the word "penalise". Anything the AR signals for is technically within the referee's power to disagree with and wave down. Sometimes that's the correct thing to do, sometimes it's a poor judgement call and sometimes that means he'll be wrong in law to do so. Doesn't stop him doing so.

Not sure on that one. Would agree if the AR has signalled a foul or offside, but less so for ball out of play or restarts. Perhaps there are very rare occasions where the referee is more credibly placed than the referee to rule on ball out of play (e.g. ball over goal line on far side to assistant), but restarts are factual. As an observer in this situation I would be expecting the goal kick to be retaken, it is the only outcome that is correct in law.

 

[RustyRef]

There were a few hundred people in attendance as it was a final so was quite noisy. I did shout ref and must have looked a right plonker. All I was thinking was if a goal is scored now in the final and this has been ignored it'll look so bad. Not as bad though if the team had scored from the incorrect IDFK

Still have to keep shouting. I was on the line at Wealdstone with over 1,000 there, the majority of those seemingly in the home stand right behind me, when the referee missed my offside flag and the tech had evidently failed as no amount of buzzing was getting his attention leaving me resorting to screaming at him. Several hundred people shouting ref look at your lino eventually seemed to land the message.

 

[bester]

Still have to keep shouting. I was on the line at Wealdstone with over 1,000 there, the majority of those seemingly in the home stand right behind me, when the referee missed my offside flag and the tech had evidently failed as no amount of buzzing was getting his attention leaving me resorting to screaming at him. Several hundred people shouting ref look at your lino eventually seemed to land the message.

Refs with, failed, buzzers are particularly deaf to shouts from the assistant.

 

[OldNavyRef]

Don't know what the ref was thinking but if I were in your situation, once the other team had regained possession, I'd have just put my flag down and carried on as if nothing had happened ...

I had this yesterday as an AR, keeper played the ball long, but placed the ball about 2 yards in front of the 6. I tried managing it by shouting at him, then immediately flagged. Seen the referee wasn't looking at me, he was watching the players battling for it coming down.

Second I seen the opposition won the ball, I just dropped the flag. No comms, no buzzers, no real point.

Imagine being the attacking team, winning the ball in your own half, scoring a goal on the break only to have the AR tell you the opposition keeper actually took the goal kick 2 yards out of position. Scenes.

However, if the ball had been flicked on, and the same team had scored I would 100% signal the referee over to discretely discuss his thoughts on that one.

Knowing he had done it once, I did get his attention clearly on the next one, "oi keeper, last one was nowhere near the 6 yard box!"