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Getafe Vs Real Betis

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OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
If I stand next to a player, and as he kicks the ball away I swing my foot at him but pull out at the last minute or slow down to make minimal contact. Justify showing me a yellow card plz
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Minimal or no contact doesn't equal any of the following:

- excessive force
- endangering the safety
- violent action
- brutal action
 
Just like the Lewis-Skelly dismissal the other week, factions of the authorities want egregious SPA (cynical - combined with RP - disregard for player safety with no attempt to play ball) to be a dismissal, but other factions (like appeals panels and the general public) are not in the know so decisions are overturned. Indeed, quite likely Oliver was thrown under the bus with 'new' PGMOL guidance that nobody else was aware of.
I'd be happy for these infarctions to attract a dismissal, but the game is not yet expecting that. The Antoni incident looked like SFP until we saw the replay so I don't blame the Referee for getting it wrong (or right, if he was following his secret guidance!)
 
OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
So if someone swings a punch and misses you’re booking them?
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If their attempt used excessive or brutal force, red. If negligible, yellow.

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
 
Runner Ref said:
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
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"Attempts" and "regardless of whether contact is made" is doing some lifting for a red card imo

If the ball is gone and you slide in to wipe someone out that's no different to kicking their legs out from under them, you're just using a footballing action to disguise it
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
"Attempting to strike" - direct free kick(?)
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We all know in a case of someone throwing a punch that doesn't connect, what is the very likely outcome.

My post was to to ensure we cover all the possibilities that the law allows. (How often do you see a punch thrown with negligible force? 😄),

Just to be pedantic, if it is negligible, it can't be CRUEF, which means even if it is attempting to strike, it's not a free kick.
 
one said:
We all know in a case of someone throwing a punch that doesn't connect, what is the very likely outcome.

My post was to to ensure we cover all the possibilities that the law allows. (How often do you see a punch thrown with negligible force? 😄),

Just to be pedantic, if it is negligible, it can't be CRUEF, which means even if it is attempting to strike, it's not a free kick.
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Trying to strike someone would seem to fit the "careless" bracket, at the very least (as per your bracketed comment);)
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
Trying to strike someone would seem to fit the "careless" bracket, at the very least (as per your bracketed comment);)
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The assumption here is that it is negligible and what do we do if it is so (all other cases like, careless, reckless or EF were covered by FK, yellow or red)

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OnlyUseMeWhistle said:
So if someone swings a punch and misses you’re booking them?
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That's not what I've said at all.

Swinging a punch is a violent action. Red Card.

Kicking out at someone as they play the ball but then pulling out and making zero/neglible contact is not a violent action.

If someone swings a kick at a someone and doesn't pull out then its a different story.
 
one said:
The assumption here is that it is negligible and what do we do if it is so (all other cases like, careless, reckless or EF were covered by FK, yellow or red)

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Make a decision in the moment (the opinion of the referee) then post a video of the incident on here. After several days you will have a choice of several outcomes😁
I think attempting to strike will never be negligible.
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
I think attempting to strike will never be negligible
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Hence why I posted
one said:
We all know in a case of someone throwing a punch that doesn't connect, what is the very likely outcome.
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Me thinks I am on the same page as you, you just haven't realised it 🤣

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Ok I'll bite. A player attempts to flick an opponents ear in a joking manner. He doesn't make contact. For me that's an attempted strike. What's your decision?
 
one said:
Hence why I posted

Me thinks I am on the same page as you, you just haven't realised it 🤣

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Ok I'll bite. A player attempts to flick an opponents ear in a joking manner. He doesn't make contact. For me that's an attempted strike. What's your decision?
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I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my reply in #38🧑‍⚖️🧑‍⚖️🧑‍⚖️
50 referees on here will have 75 opinions about the unlikely "attempt to flick an ear" example. Let's leave that to ITOOTR;)
 
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