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Excessive Celebration

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When I did my Greatest Game of All Time post a few weeks back, I mentioned the OTT celebrations done in an U14 game. The last one saw the entire team run to celebrate on the touchline. The first goal scored though saw the player remove this shirt in celebration (he had an undershirt on luckily because it was bloody freezing). If anyone remembers this post, they know he had fair reason, he’d been elbowed earlier on in the match and taken off bleeding with the ref not even giving a foul. The ref chose not to book him, and tbf if he had booked him there would have been a riot (there was one later.) A lot went on in that game, so it’s no surprise this wasn’t something mentioned in the comments but it is one I’m wondering about.

Are you carding here or does the age of the players have an effect? I get the answer is “apply LOTG consistently across all age groups”, I’m just intrigued to see what people would actually do in this scenario. Does age have an effect? If so what age does it come into effect? Are you cautioning an U7 for the same thing? What if the U7 player runs towards the spectators to celebrate with his Mum? You cautioning for this (probably not as it’s not really approaching the spectators in a manner which causes safety/security issues.)

A lot of this is hypothetical of course, proper EPL celebrations are rare in youth football, especially as you deal with older kids, and even OTT celebrations don’t normally involve a cautionable offence. Just intrigued to see some answers.
 
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A 14U player who takes off his shirt in celebration knows that he should be cautioned for it and is inviting the caution, just like he has seen on TV. Yes, I'm going to accept his invitation and give him the caution he asked me for (which he will probably view as a badge of honor)."
 
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A 14U player who takes off his shirt in celebration knows that he should be cautioned for it and is inviting the caution, just like he has seen on TV. Yes, I'm going to accept his invitation and give him the caution he asked me for (which he will probably view as a badge of honor)."
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U7 though same thing?

(I agree with this btw)
 
I would say yes apply the lotg and not make incorrect decisions to make it easier for myself. You can do that when you have wiggle room but when it's clear, do the deed.

However, I do on the rare occasion 'not see' things because it's in the best interest of the game and both teams. Age has nothing to do with this.

On another note, OP reminds me of a game a few years ago with a young ref in a similar age youth game in a league I referee in. A team scored an equaliser midway through second half. Most bar one or two ran to the perimeter fence with their supporters hugging etc. When they came back all in their own half the ref took his yellow card out and waved it to all players and then a red to a player who was on yellow.
Needless to say the entire game got replayed.
 
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On another note, OP reminds me of a game a few years ago with a young ref in a similar age youth game in a league I referee in. A team scored an equaliser midway through second half. Most bar one or two ran to the perimeter fence with their supporters hugging etc. When they came back all in their own half the ref took his yellow card out and waved it to all players and then a red to a player who was on yellow.
Needless to say the entire game got replayed.
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Would you say wrong in law and, if so, how?
 
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I would say yes apply the lotg and not make incorrect decisions to make it easier for myself. You can do that when you have wiggle room but when it's clear, do the deed.

However, I do on the rare occasion 'not see' things because it's in the best interest of the game and both teams. Age has nothing to do with this.

On another note, OP reminds me of a game a few years ago with a young ref in a similar age youth game in a league I referee in. A team scored an equaliser midway through second half. Most bar one or two ran to the perimeter fence with their supporters hugging etc. When they came back all in their own half the ref took his yellow card out and waved it to all players and then a red to a player who was on yellow.
Needless to say the entire game got replayed.
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I suppose when young refs are always being told to apply law by observers etc (not a criticism), you will get the rare occasion when something mad like this will happen. For a young referee, it must be confusing to be always told to apply.law and then see it all blow up in their face when they actually do that. We are taught one way and then as we progress we are taught another way (although most of it is self taught through our experiences both on and off the field). Not sure there's a better alternative, it's just a potential consequence.

On a slightly different note but still concerning yellow cards for taking shirts off. Iago Aspas scored a goal but injured himself in the process at the weekend for Celta Vigo. His team mate reminded him that he was on a yellow card so he took his shirt off begrudgingly to get a yellow so he serves a suspension for 5 yellows whilst injured. That doesn't sit right but hey ho.
 
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Ben448844 said:
I suppose when young refs are always being told to apply law by observers etc (not a criticism), you will get the rare occasion when something mad like this will happen. For a young referee, it must be confusing to be always told to apply.law and then see it all blow up in their face when they actually do that. We are taught one way and then as we progress we are taught another way (although most of it is self taught through our experiences both on and off the field). Not sure there's a better alternative, it's just a potential consequence.

On a slightly different note but still concerning yellow cards for taking shirts off. Iago Aspas scored a goal but injured himself in the process at the weekend for Celta Vigo. His team mate reminded him that he was on a yellow card so he took his shirt off begrudgingly to get a yellow so he serves a suspension for 5 yellows whilst injured. That doesn't sit right but hey ho.
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This might get looked at. Players (Ramos?) have been given extra games for purposefully getting booked to serve a suspension in a particular game.. Perhaps not exact as these were final games after qualifying but I certainly think there is a case to look at here
 
Ben448844 said:
On a slightly different note but still concerning yellow cards for taking shirts off. Iago Aspas scored a goal but injured himself in the process at the weekend for Celta Vigo. His team mate reminded him that he was on a yellow card so he took his shirt off begrudgingly to get a yellow so he serves a suspension for 5 yellows whilst injured. That doesn't sit right but hey ho.
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As @JamesL said most leagues now have rules to prevent that from happening.

But am I missing something, already on a yellow, you get a second yellow, neither of which counts towards 5, but your team end up one short for the rest of the game. :confused::blackeye:
 
I also think expectation comes into play, I had a national 15s or 16s few years back, semi final, centre half already on a yellow, up for corner last min, header, goal....

and off he goes, shirt not just off, but twirling in the air, say 40,50 yard run

As referee, where am I meant to go with that?!!!

there is no hiding place, I cant pretend I havs not seen it, I understand his joy but, surely it has to be understood the refereee has their role to play also.

so yc, followed by red and am the villian. Denying the kid ( and indeed captain) a major final to come.

maybe a joyous celebration in a mob of players where top was off then quickly on. Maybe.

dancing round pitch using it as a kite......as someone says above, thats a player saying, caution me.
 
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But am I missing something, already on a yellow, you get a second yellow, neither of which counts towards 5, but your team end up one short for the rest of the game. :confused::blackeye:
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I don’t think he was already on a Yellow, could’ve misread the article I saw though. He was on 4 yellows (so far that season) and got a yellow card to get his 5th yellow before being taken off injured. Think the person you replied to just worded it wrong.

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Would you say wrong in law and, if so, how?
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Was gonna say it’s not approaching the spectators in a manner which causes safety and/or security issues but then I realised they climbed onto perimeter fence so yeh, correct in law. Common sense has also got to be applied in some situations though, but I feel bad for the young ref here.
 
Mike Dean was asked about this on the Crouchie podcast as he cautioned Aguero after scoring probably the most famous goal of Premier League history. He said he felt bad about it, but had Aguero already been cautioned he would have taken any potential sanction on the chin and not cautioned him for it.
 
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I'd do the same. These are the very rare occasions that being wrong is the right thing to do. But we are talking less than once a season or less.
 
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I'd do the same. These are the very rare occasions that being wrong is the right thing to do. But we are talking less than once a season or less.
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Yeah the Billy Sharp incident after his son Louie passed away and he scored and took his shirt off to show a T-shirt with his name on it was another one of those situations.

He'd announced in advance that if he scored he was going to do it and duly did so.

Ref chose to 'not see' the incident!
 
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Justylove said:
Yeah the Billy Sharp incident after his son Louie passed away and he scored and took his shirt off to show a T-shirt with his name on it was another one of those situations.

He'd announced in advance that if he scored he was going to do it and duly did so.

Ref chose to 'not see' the incident!
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Which I believe he got in trouble for. Could be mistaken.
 
It baffles me why anyone takes their shirt off during a celebration. What’s the point?

in my 5 years of refereeing I’ve only once carded for an excessive celebration, and that was only because the player made a point of running up to an opposition player and screaming in his face. Never had someone take their shirt off though
 
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