English Grassroots Return

[Big Cat]

Indeed, however primary source of infection is still respiratory hence why they persist with two metre social distaning

I don't think it is Minty. Primary source of infection is surfaces contaminated from respiratory droplets. The 2m rule is a safety measure for the relatively lower risk of droplets that remain in the air for short duration. Then there's the environment. Close proximity to someone indoors for say 15 minutes, is a completely different kettle of fish to transient contact outdoors

 

[OIREF!]

I think players sharing cars to games may have to come with some sort of common sense and take a chance/risk, if possible.

I suspect 2 people sharing a car could well be allowed by the time grass roots football restarts.

 

[Kes]

Indeed, however primary source of infection is still respiratory hence why they persist with two metre social distaning

I'm guessing you've never had any problems socially distaining anyone Minty.

 

[Justylove]

This was the outcome of the Step 5/6 meeting today.

https://www.swpleague.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/SUMMARY-OF-FA-MEETING-TODAY-WITH-STEP-5.pdf

 

[RustyRef]

I don't think it is Minty. Primary source of infection is surfaces contaminated from respiratory droplets. The 2m rule is a safety measure for the relatively lower risk of droplets that remain in the air for short duration. Then there's the environment. Close proximity to someone indoors for say 15 minutes, is a completely different kettle of fish to transient contact outdoors

They don't actually know what the primary source of infection is, as if someone gets infected it is nigh on impossible to say where they got it from. I've seen people say they got it from petrol pumps, door handles,, etc, but how can they know for sure unless that object is then tested.

That said, the government must be fairly confident on contaminated surfaces being the worst cause given they unlocked outdoor gatherings, and the medial experts have stated on a few occasions that it is much harder to pick it up outside than inside.

Personally I think we will start to see things move quickly from now, with small sided centres being allowed to reopen in July. If that happens 11-a-side football might not be delayed as much as we feared, as it can't be any riskier than small sides, and if anything players are further apart.

 

[Sheffields Finest]

I'm guessing you've never had any problems socially distaining anyone Minty.

The rest of Yorkshire socially distance from Ull. It’s not Covid, it just a £&@?hole!

 

[Big Cat]

They don't actually know what the primary source of infection is, as if someone gets infected it is nigh on impossible to say where they got it from. I've seen people say they got it from petrol pumps, door handles,, etc, but how can they know for sure unless that object is then tested.

That said, the government must be fairly confident on contaminated surfaces being the worst cause given they unlocked outdoor gatherings, and the medial experts have stated on a few occasions that it is much harder to pick it up outside than inside.

Personally I think we will start to see things move quickly from now, with small sided centres being allowed to reopen in July. If that happens 11-a-side football might not be delayed as much as we feared, as it can't be any riskier than small sides, and if anything players are further apart.

I can't find the paper I read a few weeks back. Maybe you and @Mintyref are correct

 

[socal lurker]

What is "known" has been evolving.

Best information I've seen lately is that surface transmission is much less of a risk than was previously thought and that close personal contact, particularly in closed spaces, is the most dangerous. (Hence rapid spread in places like nursing homes.) The most credible thing I've seen on masks is that masks have a minimal (but not zero) benefit for the wearer, but help reduce transmission from the wearer. In other words, we wear masks mostly to protect other people, as we can never know with certainty if we have been exposed and can expose others. The broad wearing of masks will result in reduced risk, which lowers the R factor of the spread. I suspect that masks in a car would be moderately beneficial, but the longer the ride, the more gets through the mask of the infected person--and a car is about as confined of a space as you can get. (Outside, what's in the air can disperse. And exposure isn't all or nothing--how much of the virus gets into your body is one of the critical factors as to whether you actually get sick or not.)

For me, based on what I've seen so far, I'm comfortable with a quick trip into an uncrowded public restroom--so long as I can wash with soap or hand sanitizer immediately afterwords and don't touch my face from the time I enter until I leave.

 

[Mintyref]

What is "known" has been evolving.

Best information I've seen lately is that surface transmission is much less of a risk than was previously thought and that close personal contact, particularly in closed spaces, is the most dangerous. (Hence rapid spread in places like nursing homes.) The most credible thing I've seen on masks is that masks have a minimal (but not zero) benefit for the wearer, but help reduce transmission from the wearer. In other words, we wear masks mostly to protect other people, as we can never know with certainty if we have been exposed and can expose others. The broad wearing of masks will result in reduced risk, which lowers the R factor of the spread. I suspect that masks in a car would be moderately beneficial, but the longer the ride, the more gets through the mask of the infected person--and a car is about as confined of a space as you can get. (Outside, what's in the air can disperse. And exposure isn't all or nothing--how much of the virus gets into your body is one of the critical factors as to whether you actually get sick or not.)

For me, based on what I've seen so far, I'm comfortable with a quick trip into an uncrowded public restroom--so long as I can wash with soap or hand sanitizer immediately afterwords and don't touch my face from the time I enter until I leave.

Quite right, facial coverings and surgical masks are not designed to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer.
Wearer respiratory protection needs to be a close fitting face piece or a powered respirator. Close fitting face pieces need to be fitted to the wearer to provide protection.

 

[RustyRef]

Quite right, facial coverings and surgical masks are not designed to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer.
Wearer respiratory protection needs to be a close fitting face piece or a powered respirator. Close fitting face pieces need to be fitted to the wearer to provide protection.

I haven't shaved since lock down started, not even sure I could get a mask on my face let alone close fitting

 

[Mintyref]

I haven't shaved since lock down started, not even sure I could get a mask on my face let alone close fitting

Indeed, for a close fitting face mask to fit properly one's features must be shaved as smooth as the proverbial babies bum....

 

[Sheffields Finest]

Ive been talking with a Dental client in North Wales today and he said that your body accepts Covid into your Eyes quicker than your nose and mouth. I don't know why but he was stating that as a fact.???

 

[JamesL]

Ive been talking with a Dental client in North Wales today and he said that your body accepts Covid into your Eyes quicker than your nose and mouth. I don't know why but he was stating that as a fact.???

Everyone knows it gets in your system more quickly by the eye... Just ask eyeball Paul...

 

[Kes]

I haven't shaved since lock down started, not even sure I could get a mask on my face let alone close fitting

What, you mean your all like beardy?
That's gross.
Are you wearing a lumberjack shirt and carrying a .308 bear-hunting rifle as well Rusty?

 

[RustyRef]

What, you mean your all like beardy?
That's gross.
Are you wearing a lumberjack shirt and carrying a .308 bear-hunting rifle as well Rusty?

I was beardy before, have been for years, now I'm a lot more beardy. Although my facial hair doesn't grow very fast (faster than the stuff on my head though ) so I'm not exactly father christmas yet.

 

[Kes]

I was beardy before, have been for years, now I'm a lot more beardy. Although my facial hair doesn't grow very fast (faster than the stuff on my head though ) so I'm not exactly father christmas yet.

I had a visual image of you before now.
You've just wrecked my world.

No, don't apologise - I'll get over it in time ..

 

[Sheffields Finest]

Just do a handstand in the mirror @RustyRef, it will take 20 years of ye!

 

[socal lurker]

Ive been talking with a Dental client in North Wales today and he said that your body accepts Covid into your Eyes quicker than your nose and mouth. I don't know why but he was stating that as a fact.???

Eyeballs definitely are receptors. And moist welcoming ones. But I *think* a key difference is that you don’t inhale through your eyeballs—so while virus landing on your eyeballs can infect you, more air is passing through your mouth/nose. I have heard wearing glasses is helpful in dense situations (though I’m not sure how helpful), and I think that is part of the reason for face guards. But as I think others have alluded to, we’re still learning.

 

[Kes]

The virus is transmitted via droplets. Any method of infection is potentially possible. Absorption (possibly through a mucus membrane such as the eyes) and inhalation are clearly the two most obvious ones. Anything that inhibits this process whether it be a physical barrier or a distance barrier is better than nowt.

 

[LothianRef]

With the education secretary announcing today that social distancing won’t be necessary in Scottish schools when they return in August, I reckon grassroots football up here might return earlier than the January date previously mentioned.