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Padfoot said:
Oh get off your moral high horses....the pair of you are the worst offenders on here at making things up to suit your own interpretation of a situation.......

There’s always a push......whether you see or it....no different to giving a dodgy cnr/gk or guessing at a throw in and picking the option that suits you better.
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Can I ask why you think you should find a push here?

What wrong are you putting right. You stop play correctly. Restart correctly. Keeper makes an error.

Why would you then actively seek to deny the attacking team the opportunity they are entitled to?
 
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Padfoot said:
Spirit of the game......
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Given you have criticised people previously for not strictly applying the laws of the game I find it more than incredulous that you are now advocating inventing a foul.

Also the tone of your reply has generated at least one complaint, so can we please keep it civil. Starting your reply telling people to get off their high horses is aggressive and uncalled for. I don't want to start using mod tools but I will if I need to.
 
Who said anything about ‘inventing’ a foul?

Would you have preferred me to ask them to dismount their splendidly large Shire Horse?
 
Padfoot said:
Who said anything about ‘inventing’ a foul?

Would you have preferred me to ask them to dismount their splendidly large Shire Horse?
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To quote you directly ...

Just find a ‘push’ at the resulting IDFK......simples

We all know what find a push means.
 
Is it fair to say that the warring parties would agree that there are discretionary occasions, when our foul threshold is altered on a quick transient basis, to manufacture an outcome in the interests of fair play or our own self preservation? I'd assert that there's a limitation to this tactic, we can't just invent an infringement, we can only be extra vigilant to spot what we're looking for
 
Big Cat said:
Is it fair to say that the warring parties would agree that there are discretionary occasions, when our foul threshold is altered on a quick transient basis, to manufacture an outcome in the interests of fair play or our own self preservation? I'd assert that there's a limitation to this tactic, we can't just invent an infringement, we can only be extra vigilant to spot what we're looking for
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If tempers are at simmering point I will start cutting back on advantages and start calling minor fouls that I would generally ignore to allow the game to flow. I'll even hint at that to the players if need be with a 'let it go' comment if they query it. But this is purely for game management purposes, once I'm satisfied tempers are settling, I'll ease up. I also, very rarely ever have to do this and wouldn't do it often for fear of being labelled inconsistent.

That said, I absolutely will never 'invent' an incident, or 'create' one and I'd never advise people to do so as it's a slippery slope to losing your integrity. Always stay above board and be genuine. With great power and all that...
 
RobOda said:
If tempers are at simmering point I will start cutting back on advantages and start calling minor fouls that I would generally ignore to allow the game to flow. I'll even hint at that to the players if need be with a 'let it go' comment if they query it. But this is purely for game management purposes, once I'm satisfied tempers are settling, I'll ease up. I also, very rarely ever have to do this and wouldn't do it often for fear of being labelled inconsistent.

That said, I absolutely will never 'invent' an incident, or 'create' one and I'd never advise people to do so as it's a slippery slope to losing your integrity. Always stay above board and be genuine. With great power and all that...
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I got sat opposite a couple of EFL referees on a train recently on our way to watch the same game and they openly talked about doing just this. Not invent as such, but i got their point
 
Good officiating is about fairness and re-balancing after an unfair event. That is what laws of the game strive to do even though it has some gaps in it. Law makers know about the gaps and that's why it refers referees to the spirit of the game and expectations of football. I don't have any problems if a referee bends the laws of the game to achieve fairness but it has to be fair to both teams.

In the OP, before the the dropped ball the defenders had the ball, the opponents did not contest the dropped ball in return, re-balancing complete. If either team makes a mistake from here on, not punishing that mistake is not re-balancing the game (or making it fair), its favouring the team who made the mistake. The fact that the sequence of play started with an injury and a dropped ball is irrelevant.

Its kind of similar to playing advantage when a team is clearly in a better position compared to if they had a free kick. You have delivered fairness and that is complete. Now if the team with the ball loses it through poor play after advantage is played, bringing the ball back is punishing the defenders twice and allowing the attackers a free mistake. That is delivering unfairness in the name of fairness.
 
RustyRef said:
To quote you directly ...

Just find a ‘push’ at the resulting IDFK......simples

We all know what find a push means.
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Yes, it means be extra vigilant and see the push that you may have otherwise missed.......

Funny how your default setting is to assume it means something nefarious......

And still no proof that I said ‘invent a foul’........yet another misrepresentation by a moderator to suit their own agenda......
 
Padfoot said:
Yes, it means be extra vigilant and see the push that you may have otherwise missed.......

Funny how your default setting is to assume it means something nefarious......

And still no proof that I said ‘invent a foul’........yet another misrepresentation by a moderator to suit their own agenda......
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Or maybe it was your use of ' that lead people to beleive that you were inferring to find a foul that doesnt exist.

Certainly had me fooled.... :poop:
 
JamesL said:
Or maybe it was your use of ' that lead people to beleive that you were inferring to find a foul that doesnt exist.

Certainly had me fooled.... :poop:
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Same, no personal agenda here but I certainly read it as making up a foul. Pray tell what on earth to do if there was no attacker in the wall though ! Where on earth should one even look for this mythical offence???
 
Plus, still no suggestion as to what to do upon spotting said made up offence and a player calls you out as a cheat...

Am genuinely interested, as, if the player shouts out that you are, what you have indeed just done, then, your kinda stuck driving the wrong way down a one way street with a very large articulated lorry !!

By not sending the player off, you are confessing to your own failings, and by sending him off you are really having to look in the dressing mirror and ask questions of who is staring back at you ! Not just in football, but in your outside life too because, something somewhere is not functioning correctly!!!
 
Ciley Myrus said:
Same, no personal agenda here but I certainly read it as making up a foul. Pray tell what on earth to do if there was no attacker in the wall though ! Where on earth should one even look for this mythical offence???
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Glad it wasn't just me and therefore not just "moderators suiting their own agendas" … :)
 
OK, the topic has shifted to "creative whistling" AKA making up offences.
I like to think I never do this but I did do it in my last game. I don't recall ever doing it before.

At corners the yellows were placing 6 bodies around the GK in the 6 yard box. For 5 corners nothing happened, they all went too deep. But then one dropped at the near post and there was a total melee. There were no wild hacks but two players had fallen over, one defender had fallen over the ball and there was a sea of legs. Because of the crazy number of players in the goal area I was close to the penalty spot so had a convincing view. There was definitely contact but TBH I did not identify any specific offence. I thought: ball is going nowhere, IDFK for attack is not credible, no way to call a pen but if there is major contact in the next seconds I am in trouble because I may not be able to tell who/what it is. So I whistled DFK to the defence, pointed at some legs, reminded the GK to spot the ball on the 6 yard line and retreated backwards towards halfway, as unfussily as possible. I am sure a couple of players realised it was totally soft but I got away with it by not overselling it.

I think it was smart because I had a defender down over the ball in his own goal area and the IDFK is just an insane decision to make if there's no intent in this position on the field (I know that's not in the laws).
 
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