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[DavidObs]

Incident I have viewed, but not technical enough to be able to copy and paste from What’s App site to here.

Goalkeeper about to take a goal kick with no one else within the penalty area. As he takes the goal kick he slips and the ball moves forward a foot or two. He then picks it up with his hands at the time an opponent has entered the penalty area and about to take possession of the ball, with the goal at his mercy. Bearing in mind all that is within Law 12 - what is your decision?

 

[bester]

Red card DOGSO for second touch infringement, and IDFK. Assuming he kicked the ball in to play.

 

[Runner Ref]

When he slips and kicks it, is it a single or double touch?

 

[DavidObs]

When he slips and kicks it, is it a single or double touch?

Though Law 12 states:

Sending-off offences

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area).

Also:

The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. If the goalkeeper handles the ball inside their penalty area when not permitted to do so, an indirect free kick is awarded but there is no disciplinary sanction. However, if the offence is playing the ball a second time (with or without the hand/arm) after a restart before it touches another player, the goalkeeper must be sanctioned if the offence stops a promising attack or denies an opponent or the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.

 

[Runner Ref]

Though Law 12 states:

Sending-off offences

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area).

Also:

The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. If the goalkeeper handles the ball inside their penalty area when not permitted to do so, an indirect free kick is awarded but there is no disciplinary sanction. However, if the offence is playing the ball a second time (with or without the hand/arm) after a restart before it touches another player, the goalkeeper must be sanctioned if the offence stops a promising attack or denies an opponent or the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.

But was the double touch similar to the below? (If there was one). If he plays it twice, it changes the question slightly.

 

[DavidObs]

No. The first touch was the goalkeeper kicking the ball but slipping so the ball travelled a short distance and the second touch was a few seconds later after he got up and then picked the ball up with his hands.

 

[Archer]

IDFK and Dismissal

 

[RefereeX]

As described it’s a DOGSO red card and an IDFK for a second touch offence. The fact it is with his hand is irrelevant because it’s not a goalkeeper specific handling offence, it’s a double touch.

 

[DavidObs]

As described it’s a DOGSO red card and an IDFK for a second touch offence. The fact it is with his hand is irrelevant because it’s not a goalkeeper specific handling offence, it’s a double touch.

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area).

 

[DavidObs]

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area).

If the ball is in play following the ball moving from a goal kick, and then a delay of a few seconds before picking the ball up the. Surely it’s a deliberate handball offence, rather than a double touch??

 

[ARF]

If the ball is in play following the ball moving from a goal kick, and then a delay of a few seconds before picking the ball up the. Surely it’s a deliberate handball offence, rather than a double touch??

What?

 

[RefereeX]

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area).

But the offence isn’t handball. The offence is a second consecutive touch after a restart.

Edit to add: it can’t be handball, it’s the goalkeeper inside his area, but he can’t touch it again after his own restart, and thus he can be sanctioned

 

[JamesL]

It's not a deliberate handball offence because the GK is allowed to use his hands within the PA. The offence is second touch, irrespective of the body part as expressed in law 12 that was posted above

 

[DavidObs]

It's not a deliberate handball offence because the GK is allowed to use his hands within the PA. The offence is second touch, irrespective of the body part as expressed in law 12 that was posted above

And therefore the sanction & re-start of play would be - an IFK & a caution, rather than a sending off?

I just think that this incident could have been specifically referred to in the LotG, rather than as it currently is - but then could probably say that about quite a few other specific scenarios.

In the clip I watched, the Referee sent the goalkeeper off (presumably for DOGSO) & awarded an indirect free kick - whereupon a goal was scored (though not directly).

 

[bester]

But was the double touch similar to the below? (If there was one). If he plays it twice, it changes the question slightly.

This a good point. Not that uncommon for a double touch infringement when a player slips, although they can be hard to detec
If he had double touched just after kicking it, then the subsequent picking it up wouldn't have been an offence.

 

[JamesL]

And therefore the sanction & re-start of play would be - an IFK & a caution, rather than a sending off?

I just think that this incident could have been specifically referred to in the LotG, rather than as it currently is - but then could probably say that about quite a few other specific scenarios.

In the clip I watched, the Referee sent the goalkeeper off (presumably for DOGSO) & awarded an indirect free kick - whereupon a goal was scored (though not directly).

If it is OGSO for the attacker then it is a red card as the attacked has OGSO denied by a free kick offence.

 

[DavidObs]

If it is OGSO for the attacker then it is a red card as the attacked has OGSO denied by a free kick offence.

Understood, but the quotes from
law copied doesn’t make that overly clear - muddies the waters in my opinion.

 

[JamesL]

The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. If the goalkeeper handles the ball inside their penalty area when not permitted to do so, an indirect free kick is awarded but there is no disciplinary sanction. However, if the offence is playing the ball a second time (with or without the hand/arm) after a restart before it touches another player, the goalkeeper must be sanctioned if the offence stops a promising attack or denies an opponent or the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.

I think this section makes it quite clear personally as this disregards the use to the hands as though any body part and the relevant section of law is then:

denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)

 

[DavidObs]

I think this section makes it quite clear personally as this disregards the use to the hands as though any body part and the relevant section of law is then:

Sorry to be a pain James, but the Laws of the Game state free kicks to be direct & indirect free kicks to be exactly that. So when the final words of your law quote states free kicks, this would mean direct, though in the clip, the Referee awarded an indirect free kick, but sent the goalkeeper off. I may just be tired - long day.

 

[Runner Ref]

Sorry to be a pain James, but the Laws of the Game state free kicks to be direct & indirect free kicks to be exactly that. So when the final words of your law quote states free kicks, this would mean direct, though in the clip, the Referee awarded an indirect free kick, but sent the goalkeeper off. I may just be tired - long day.

Is this the incident?