From what I saw he touched the ball down the walked away and about 20 seconds later a player walked other then just started dribbling with it and I blew for a retake
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As you said I made sure the ball started in the corner circle then focussed on the drop zone so I didn’t see any clear touch until the protests from the other team as there was no second played so i didn’t watch for that just waited for the corner to be taken turned around and saw him dribbling - if informed as you said I would allow it however I hadn’t been informed of thisOthers in the thread have already cleared up that if the ball 'is kicked and clearly moves' then it's a legal corner kick. So the key question is whether the referee actually sees the ball move when it is first played by the initial attacker. If you DO see it move then you've no basis for stopping the play ... those who are saying 'not on my pitch' need to be very careful with this. That said, assuming the referee is in a "typical" position for a corner, the ball will need to move a reasonable amount for this to be clearly seen by the official AND he needs to be looking in that direction rather than at the likely drop zone.
My past experience is that teams who are planning this maneouvre will often mention it to me in advance of the game starting, allowing me to be switched onto it. For me, it's allowed in the LOTG so I've no problem with it ... for those who think it's against the spirit of the game, I'd suggest that you always have the option of bellowing "Ball is in Play" to give the opposition a fighting chance
This used to happen quite a lot but seemed to go out of fashion, presumably because referees weren't letting them get away with it.
On the fairly few occasions it happened in games I was refereeing the attacking team would tell me, either before the game or at the corner, and my standard response was along the lines of that's fine, but it has to move and I will shout out "ball in play". Nothing wrong with that and no different to shouting it after a quick free kick is taken, that's just game management. On one occasion the ball didn't visibly move and they were expecting a retake, were rather annoyed when I gave an indirect free kick ... !
On the fairly few occasions it happened in games I was refereeing the attacking team would tell me, either before the game or at the corner, and my standard response was along the lines of that's fine, but it has to move and I will shout out "ball in play". Nothing wrong with that and no different to shouting it after a quick free kick is taken, that's just game management. On one occasion the ball didn't visibly move and they were expecting a retake, were rather annoyed when I gave an indirect free kick ... !
The point I was making when replying to a friend (at which you interjected), was that once a player (or team) indicates they're 'planning this maneouvre', the options available to me (the referee) would be curtailed
This message was inferred and you misrepresented me
Words of 'wrong' and 'stupid' are insulting and typical of you. I shan't reply further, so as to keep the mods restful
zarathustra
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But a team telling you they are planning this manoeuvre doesn't curtail what you as the referee can do.
You either see the ball get kicked and clearly move, and you allow the play to continue, or you don't see the ball get kicked and clearly move, at which point you award an indirect free kick.
It's not a difficult concept. Unless you are implying that if a team didn't tell the referee they were going to try this then the referee could lie and say they didn't see the ball move, and thus incorrectly award an indirect free kick to stop the team doing something which is allowed in law but the referee doesn't personally like.
Personally I don't look for reasons not to apply the laws of the game correctly, so it would never occur to me to not allow a team to do this, unless I genuinely didnt see the ball get kicked and clearly move.
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Jtpetherick1
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But that's not true. If the first is a touch where the ball doesn't move [as OP suggests] the second player cannot dribble with the ball as his first touch would be the corner being taken.
one
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I think what you are saying is it didn't clearly move. Then it should have been an indirect free kick from where the second player kicked it a second time in the dribble. I'm happy with a retake as well although not entirely correct in law. (Retake is a good option if you don't know what the answer is. After all IFAB uses it).
santa sangria
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Take another example, like under the old laws, at a GK when a defender plays the ball just outside the box... what do (did) you do?
Since working with comms and higher level refs, I was in the habit - as AR or ref - of clearly communicating "OK" or "in play".
What about a no handball decision - what do you do? You quickly say "carry on" or equivalent to manage the game, right?
With these helping phrases, you can look at it that you are benefitting the appealing (defending) team, because you are preventing them from stopping playing while they "think" or "claim" an offence. What you are actually doing is being proactive, keeping the game moving and minimising any nonsense.
I think it's the same with something like the corner routine.
It's also the same at a DFK taken quickly in midfield that hardly moves. The last thing you want is a quick challenge and the next teammate of the taker picking the ball and claiming they haven't taken it yet... "in play"... everything after that is easy sell...