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Club assistant's behaviour after the game

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FC555

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U16s today, one of the club linesmen was a bit odd. He's a qualified referee in the same league but a parent of one of the players. During the game a couple times he tried flagging for fouls/handballs which I ignored and told him to stick to the basics I asked for before the game. Twice he shouted across to question my decisions - some alleged handballs that either didn't happen or I didn't see, and a penalty which was very clear and I found it embarrassing a qualified ref would try questioning it due to obvious bias for his kids' team.

Both times I just explained quickly what I saw as I'm happy to explain my decisions. In hindsight I should have just taken him off the line after the 2nd time he tried questioning me but you live and learn.

Now this all is a non issue, however after the game I started walking over to thank him and grab my flag, only to find he just left it on the ground in the corner and was walking off with one of his players, saying 'he was absolutely terrible' - I have no doubts he was talking about me but technically I didn't hear him use the word ref/referee.

I found this very disrespectful, especially disappointing as this is a qualified ref acting petty because he disagreed with 2 or 3 decisions in a youth game (the game was otherwise relatively quiet, a couple of last warnings for some dissent and the linesman in question's team kept whinging asking for every decision to be given their way but no significant trouble of any sort).

My question is, does this seem worth reporting or am I being a little dramatic? It's the leaving my flag on the ground that wound me up a bit (I didn't see him throw it or damage it).
 
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Yeah, we qualified at the same time. I've actually had a few chats with him since then when bumping into each other and distinctly remember him saying how much he gets annoyed by the dissent he gets...🙄

I also think it's a shame he's showing the youth players this kind of behaviour is seemingly acceptable in his eyes - the same players who he could be refereeing at any given time in the future...

I'll have a word with the appts secretary as you guys have suggested.
 
I agree fully and it's one of those things where thinking back I know what the better course of action would have been. I'll chalk it down to it being the first time since I started where an assistant has given me any trouble.
 
Hi all. This thread has a similar theme to something i was going to ask regarding the etiquette of qualified refs acting as CARs...
I've just completed my referee course but still new and and only into the first few games since the course. Like the AR who was described in the original thread, I am still often asked to act as CAR when going along to my daughter's matches as a parent. I'm very happy to do this, and while I try to officiate as conscientiously and honestly as i would if i were appointed as a neutral AR, I have generally not discussed my training with the appointed ref, and just stuck to line decisions and offsides as requested and kept my mouth shut so as not to undermine any decisions. I was wondering what the more experienced refs out there would expect before the match from CARs who have gone through the ref course. I don't want to come across as pretentious by turning up and broadcasting "i've done a course, you know" but is it of any use for the man or woman in the middle to know if CARs have any training at all, or just distracting? (PS... i'm pretty sure the original AR described by FC555 wasn't me today!!)
 
Personally, it doesn't matter to me if the CAR an qualified ref or not. You are the only appointed official and they are there to assist you and help their club out. Stick to ins - outs and offside ( don't be afraid to overrule them on offsides give them thumbs up and shout play on thank you). You can usually tell with first 5min which CAR are going to be helpful or not.
 
I've run the line a lot as a CAR, including when I was an L4, and I had to fight the urge to signal things when I knew the referee had got decisions wrong. But I did fight that urge, as ultimately I was there to signal ball in and out of play and indicate offsides.

If you have a CAR over stepping the mark in terms of their involvement you need to get on top of it quickly. Don't just wave them down, go and talk to them to remind that they can only indicate certain things and that you certainly don't want fouls.
 
I run the line regularly for two of my kids. I know a few of the referees and I do tend to mention that I am qualified, but would never dream of doing anything more than is expected of the other CAR. Strictly ball in/out of play and offside.
 
I remember doing the line a lot for my brother's Sunday morning team before heading off to do my own games in the afternoon, and because of lack of facilities I'd have turned up in my refs gear (minus a shirt as I tend to wear a thermal undershirt and a jumper instead as don't like to make it look like I'm appointed.
A lot of the refs knew me anyway as I also done some of the morning games too, at fields with multiple pitches.
Always joined him with the other CAR in briefs and stuck to what I've been told. Have had refs tell me before that they were happy with me doing the little extra if I felt comfortable, which I never did as to me it may also seem overstepping the mark and also, considering it was defensive to my brother's team, they'd benefit from free kicks if I gave them, giving the ref grief, and if I gave other way,
 
ladbroke8745 said:
I remember doing the line a lot for my brother's Sunday morning team before heading off to do my own games in the afternoon, and because of lack of facilities I'd have turned up in my refs gear (minus a shirt as I tend to wear a thermal undershirt and a jumper instead as don't like to make it look like I'm appointed.
A lot of the refs knew me anyway as I also done some of the morning games too, at fields with multiple pitches.
Always joined him with the other CAR in briefs and stuck to what I've been told. Have had refs tell me before that they were happy with me doing the little extra if I felt comfortable, which I never did as to me it may also seem overstepping the mark and also, considering it was defensive to my brother's team, they'd benefit from free kicks if I gave them, giving the ref grief, and if I gave other way,
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I do this as well. A lot of refs in my area know I’m qualified and I will sometimes run the line for my brothers team or the teams that I coach. Basically every referee has told me to flag for fouls if I see one and if I want too. I usually don’t as most of the time, the ref has seen it anyway.
 
dylanbailey4444 said:
I do this as well. A lot of refs in my area know I’m qualified and I will sometimes run the line for my brothers team or the teams that I coach. Basically every referee has told me to flag for fouls if I see one and if I want too. I usually don’t as most of the time, the ref has seen it anyway.
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That isn't fair though, at least not unless he affords the same responsibility to the other CAR.

All of the referees knew me as I'd appointed them to the game, but if they suggested I give fouls I told them that wouldn't be right.
 
Have to agree with rustyref on this one, even if the guy in question in my game was a Premier League ref I wouldn't want him flagging anything different to the other assistant, as the moment you miss a foul on his end he'll question why he can't flag for if.

I think 2 months off over Christmas has mellowed me out as I should have told the lino to disappear and sin binned 2 players - let's hope everyone behaves in my next game😳
 
RustyRef said:
That isn't fair though, at least not unless he affords the same responsibility to the other CAR.

All of the referees knew me as I'd appointed them to the game, but if they suggested I give fouls I told them that wouldn't be right.
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Totally.

Even if I've got Michael Oliver there watching his kid play and he offers to CAR for me - all he's flagging is ball in/out of play and offside.

Anything else just isn't right.
 
RustyRef said:
That isn't fair though, at least not unless he affords the same responsibility to the other CAR.

All of the referees knew me as I'd appointed them to the game, but if they suggested I give fouls I told them that wouldn't be right.
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I agree I don’t think I worded it properly. To be honest, I rarely flag for fouls as a CAR (and it’s only if they have asked- and even if they have- I rarely do) but I agree it would be completely unfair for one to be able to flag but not the other.
 
I have often lined my son’s football, likewise only acting as CAR for consistency, ball out of play/offside. However always introduce myself before game and offer mentoring type advice to help usually a younger referee improve. Only U12 so no issues chatting through positioning etc at half time, could be problematic as you go through the age groups and it gets more ‘serious’!
 
2 different things here for which I will give very different answers

Firstly worrying and disappointing he’s acting like that definitely worth mentioning to appointments officer and possibly CFA.

Second bit is going to come across as defending his attitude I’m not at but on instinct if I’m a CAR I probably flag fouls by mistake I had a 5 now 4 as a CAR on a Sunday last season who flagged a obvious trip as I was going for my whistle we just had a chuckle and moved on and yes I knew he was a ref have run the line for him since too.
 
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