Chelsea (W) vs Arsenal (W)

[Runner Ref]

Ok fair enough - foot to foot, but my points remain the same.

This was your own post on another thread. The description sounds very similar to this challenge

 

[DavidObs]

This was your own post on another thread. The description sounds very similar to this challenge

Perhaps similar but not the same and I am not sure what point you are making. In any event, had two Referees or even the same Referee made a different decision eg non award of a penalty kick, would I still support the Referee - perhaps. Again, most decisions are subjective - no right or wrong. Many would give (in the example shown) and some wouldn’t. Would this mean that the minority who wouldn’t give are incorrect in law (rhetorical)!!

 

[Runner Ref]

Perhaps similar but not the same and I am not sure what point you are making. In any event, had two Referees or even the same Referee made a different decision eg non award of a penalty kick, would I still support the Referee - perhaps. Again, most decisions are subjective - no right or wrong. Many would give (in the example shown) and some wouldn’t. Would this mean that the minority who wouldn’t give are incorrect in law (rhetorical)!!

You used the excuse of ‘played the ball first’. You aren’t allowed to use that arguement, as per this discussion. Despite the fact I never said winning the ball means it can never ever be a foul.

I respect your constant backing of referees, and I’m sure you’d be an observer referees want. But you need to be able to sometimes just say they’re wrong. Something I genuinely have never seen you do.

 

[DavidObs]

You used the excuse of ‘played the ball first’. You aren’t allowed to use that arguement, as per this discussion. Despite the fact I never said winning the ball means it can never ever be a foul.

I respect your constant backing of referees, and I’m sure you’d be an observer referees want. But you need to be able to sometimes just say they’re wrong. Something I genuinely have never seen you do.

There are some fair and reasonable points you make & overall, you are correct to say on this forum I haven’t said a Referee is wrong (because I don’t believe they are from what I have seen/read). However, in the big wide world, I have disagreed with some MCS by Referees and have received appeals because they are not happy with their mark etc (all except one this season were lost & that was only partly won by the Referee). I had a phone call yesterday from a Referee who was very unhappy with his mark from a game last Saturday, but by the end of the call he accepted the situation & had no grounds for appeal - it was just one of those games he did everything he could, but limited incidents etc & I can’t make things up.

 

[Martiju]

You used the excuse of ‘played the ball first’. You aren’t allowed to use that arguement, as per this discussion. Despite the fact I never said winning the ball means it can never ever be a foul.

I respect your constant backing of referees, and I’m sure you’d be an observer referees want. But you need to be able to sometimes just say they’re wrong. Something I genuinely have never seen you do.

With all due respect, I suspect that's because it's very rarely the case that referees do get a decision objectively wrong and - where they do - the only important thing is why that has happened (and I don't mean corruption, incompetence, bias or any of the other insults bandied around elsewhere).

That's what makes this forum different from others - it's looking more at which subjective factors a referee has taken into account in order to arrive at a decision that is the most important thing, as that helps us all learn and develop.

 

[Runner Ref]

With all due respect, I suspect that's because it's very rarely the case that referees do get a decision objectively wrong and - where they do - the only important thing is why that has happened (and I don't mean corruption, incompetence, bias or any of the other insults bandied around elsewhere).

That's what makes this forum different from others - it's looking more at which subjective factors a referee has taken into account in order to arrive at a decision that is the most important thing, as that helps us all learn and develop.

You don’t see my point?

I was told, and even mocked earlier, because I dared to disagreed with the majority on here. The reasoning I gave was in keeping with what some of those very same people have used on other threads. And I even agreed and initially said winning the ball doesn’t always mean no foul. But people perform ‘mental gymnastics’ (thanks to whoever initially provided that term) to justify why a referee was correct. Even though they could have said something that was completely contradicting the week before. That is not good for football or refereeing

 

[DavidObs]

You don’t see my point?

I was told, and even mocked earlier, because I dared to disagreed with the majority on here. The reasoning I gave was in keeping with what some of those very same people have used on other threads. And I even agreed and initially said winning the ball doesn’t always mean no foul. But people perform ‘mental gymnastics’ (thanks to whoever initially provided that term) to justify why a referee was correct. Even though they could have said something that was completely contradicting the week before. That is not good for football or refereeing

Not mocked by me & others who just have a different view to you. The thing is it appears you have a black or white view of things & although that is perhaps a good trait to have, others like myself don’t always see black or white. I don’t agree that this is not good for football or refereeing because most will always have a view one way or the other - as do I, but will side towards the Referee so long as the Referee has done all they can do. It’s similar to an office situation etc, so long as someone can be justified in the actions they have undertaken eg taken into account policy etc etc, then they should be supported.

 

[Runner Ref]

Not mocked by me & others who just have a different view to you. The thing is it appears you have a black or white view of things & although that is perhaps a good trait to have, others like myself don’t always see black or white. I don’t agree that this is not good for football or refereeing because most will always have a view one way or the other - as do I, but will side towards the Referee so long as the Referee has done all they can do. It’s similar to an office situation etc, so long as someone can be justified in the actions they have undertaken eg taken into account policy etc etc, then they should be supported.

What exactly have I got a black & white view on? Show me where in this thread I have said that winning the ball automatically means it can never be a foul.

By agreeing with the referee always being correct, you pedal the notion that referees have no accountability. Something we’ve been discussing recently in another thread.

 

[DavidObs]

What exactly have I got a black & white view on? Show me where in this thread I have said that winning the ball automatically means it can never be a foul.

By agreeing with the referee always being correct, you pedal the notion that referees have no accountability. Something we’ve been discussing recently in another thread.

I was talking generally over a period of time re black/white. On this forum, I generally make the point that the Referee is not incorrect with the action/non-action they have identified, rather than them being correct.

 

[JamesL]

Think we are done here folks!! I've deleted a couple of unnecessary comments that were nowhere near refereeing related.

It's okay to disagree but please do so respectfully.

 

[Russell Jones]

Pen all day for me. If McCabe is stupid enough to then go and get herself sent off there’s no on else to blame but her. Great to see someone punished properly for OFFINABUS in the pro game for a change.

With you in regard to OFFINABUS Gabriel. Having heard the audio, the player was given multiple warnings to move away, failed to heed them, kept complaining, “you’ve ruined the game ref”, and was rightly shown a YC for dissent. Her immediate response to this was to loudly scream “DUCK OFF” (edited to avoid censorship!) directly at the referee and it’s great to see this Abusive behaviour appropriately dealt with

 

[Gabriel]

With you in regard to OFFINABUS Gabriel. Having heard the audio, the player was given multiple warnings to move away, failed to heed them, kept complaining, “you’ve ruined the game ref”, and was rightly shown a YC for dissent. Her immediate response to this was to loudly scream “DUCK OFF” (edited to avoid censorship!) directly at the referee and it’s great to see this Abusive behaviour appropriately dealt with

Thanks for the insight! Brilliant to see Emily rightly deal with that.

 

[one]

Now we need some Premier league referees show the same level of tolerance and the same sort of courage.
"Managing the event", "what the game expects" or all other excuses to not properly ponish it is just a cop out.

 

[RustyRef]

Now we need some Premier league referees show the same level of tolerance and the same sort of courage.
"Managing the event", "what the game expects" or all other excuses to not properly ponish it is just a cop out.

That's the problem unfortunately, the players and clubs don't have the same power in the WSL as they do in the EPL. There's no way a referee would be sending off for that in the Premier League, which means that the top level of mens and womens games are being refereed differently.

Perhaps Bibiana needs to have a word with Howard over their breakfast coffee.

 

[Russell Jones]

That's the problem unfortunately, the players and clubs don't have the same power in the WSL as they do in the EPL. There's no way a referee would be sending off for that in the Premier League, which means that the top level of mens and womens games are being refereed differently.

Perhaps Bibiana needs to have a word with Howard over their breakfast coffee.

Whilst I’m sure they still chat over their breakfast coffee, Bibiana moved from PGMOL to FIFA a few months back.

 

[Emad]

I watched the highlights last night and had, and still have, no doubts about the penalty being the correct decision, so am surprised there's any controversy. Yes she got a faint touch on the ball but James still had possession when the follow through tripped her. As for the red, it's not quite clear but the full clip suggest it was a second yellow for dissent, rather than a red for OFFINABUS:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883519289912672485

First thoughts, it’s a penalty but after watching the replays this is one of those that could easily be ruled out if VAR sends the referee to the screen.

 

[CrossRef]

The defender touched the ball first, but it was a faint touch, still the ball was in the forward's possession, then defender tripped down the forward, penalty.
If the defender got to clear the ball, the no penalty.
My two cents.