Of course there is a subjective aspect to this, everything depends on the context. And nowhere do the LOTG talk about reasonable people and society standards. In order for language to be offensive someone has to be offended - a real person, not a notional one. If you have decided that swearing (and I hope you give a complete list to each team before the game so that they can avoid the words that you believe have been objectively established as offensive) is automatically offensive then you must dismiss an awful lot of players...
Can you ever be to strict
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Of course there is a subjective aspect to this, everything depends on the context. And nowhere do the LOTG talk about reasonable people and society standards. In order for language to be offensive someone has to be offended - a real person, not a notional one. If you have decided that swearing (and I hope you give a complete list to each team before the game so that they can avoid the words that you believe have been objectively established as offensive) is automatically offensive then you must dismiss an awful lot of players...
Padfoot
The Persecuted One
Incorrect.
No one needs to be offended etc......the words or gestures can be offensive by their nature or intent, regardless of the end result.
Would you send someone off for a racial slur if the target wasn't at all bothered by it?
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
Now now sm, that's like laying the kindling for another dissent v OFFINABUS debate
Personally I'd have gone down the OFFINABUS route as I find that comment identical in nature and intent to F Off and thus would punish the same. But can see why many would caution for dissent, even tho technically it may be wrong
Charlie ,just read you comment , Since when have experienced referees not taken care in what they do ??? if im out with 2 other old refs I will reduce my pre match talk as we know each other quite well...but if im out with a young inexperienced ref I will always do a full pre match talk to give them something to go on when its their turn .
Probably my most nervous day ever was my first pre match talk with 2 experienced refs on the line for me , I stuttered my way through and forgot most of what I had practiced .....
Also my first adult middle when I checked my bag 6 times before leaving .....even pulled the car over half way to the ground to check again
Ahh the memories...
Also my first adult middle when I checked my bag 6 times before leaving .....even pulled the car over half way to the ground to check again
Ahh the memories...
I've been refereeing three years and always double check my bag before leaving. Yet when I'm driving to the match I'll convince myself I've forgotten either my shirt or watches, cards etc. Basically like I've walked out the house with an empty bag!
SM
The avuncular one
It looks like the referee chickening out of doing what you should do when confronted with OFFINABUS and opting for a softer, safer option. Like seeing a foul in the penalty area but instead moving it outside the area for a free kick...Now now sm, that's like laying the kindling for another dissent v OFFINABUS debate
Just my opinion. Sometimes you gotta be brave.
SM
The avuncular one
See you could have saved yourself some time!!It was only 3 minutes in and it was a quiet 'oh piss off' it wasnt like he was screaming in my face haha, he got sent off about 20 mins later anyway for a second yellow
@Beezer, I meant more in small things like the positioning of free kicks and throw-ins. Something that people tend to become more relaxed with as they become more experienced.Charlie ,just read you comment , Since when have experienced referees not taken care in what they do ??? if im out with 2 other old refs I will reduce my pre match talk as we know each other quite well...but if im out with a young inexperienced ref I will always do a full pre match talk to give them something to go on when its their turn .
Probably my most nervous day ever was my first pre match talk with 2 experienced refs on the line for me , I stuttered my way through and forgot most of what I had practiced .....
Also my first adult middle when I checked my bag 6 times before leaving .....even pulled the car over half way to the ground to check again
Ahh the memories...