Daft one really (and no actual video to watch) - but it seems for suddenly-again-fashionable long throws you can take them where you want and apparently take over 30 seconds - to get a towel to dry the ball, wait for your players to barge around in the penalty area before launching the ball and that isn't wasting time - but 15 secs looking for someone in space gets you a booking.
Brentford v Manchester City
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That would be very sensible/prudent. It’s worked with the goalkeepers and no reason to doubt it would work with throw-ins. If at the same time IFAB changed the place of the goal kick to how it used to be/same as corner kicks viz side of the goal area where the ball crossed the goal-line I would die a happy Observer.
An 8 second rule would in effect kill long throws, you are hardly going to throw the ball in without your centre backs there and there's no chance they would be there within 8 seconds.
I know where this is coming from as I've seen it elsewhere, O'Reilly got a caution for taking 15 seconds to take a throw-in but Kayode didn't for taking 30 seconds 5 minutes later in the game. But there were differences, O'Reilly's team was 1 goal up and had a clear interest in slowing the game down, yet why on earth would Kayode slow the game down when his team was 1-0 down with 2 minutes left? How many of us would caution a player for delaying the restart of play when his team are 1-0 down and chucking the kitchen sink at the opponents? I certainly wouldn't.
I know where this is coming from as I've seen it elsewhere, O'Reilly got a caution for taking 15 seconds to take a throw-in but Kayode didn't for taking 30 seconds 5 minutes later in the game. But there were differences, O'Reilly's team was 1 goal up and had a clear interest in slowing the game down, yet why on earth would Kayode slow the game down when his team was 1-0 down with 2 minutes left? How many of us would caution a player for delaying the restart of play when his team are 1-0 down and chucking the kitchen sink at the opponents? I certainly wouldn't.
I get what you are saying, especially your final sentence, but the 5 second countdown to goalkeepers does not discriminate whether a team is winning, losing or drawing. The current taking of throw ins overall is taking far too long & with the Laws wanting to quicken the game up, it seems a bit silly to only have it slowed down by the taking of throw-ins etc. Of course, there is no reason why it has to be the same 8 seconds as it is for goalkeepers. Could be say 10, 12 or 15.
Russell Jones
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The GK 8 second introduction is relatively straightforward, as it’s a ‘one off’ with the ball in play. Setting a time limit for any one actual restart would likely be a precursor to a Futsal style mandatory count at ALL restarts. You can certainly argue the merits of this but there’s no doubting it would be a significant change to the look, feel and dynamic of football.
With attacking long throw ins, they are effectively now similar to corner situations. We should totally expect a delay while the ‘big men’ come forward in these types of situations … any team using this tactic to ‘waste time’ when winning is also gambling somewhat with having its key defenders out of position.
For me, more important that officials are highly vigilant on other standard restarts .. goal kicks and defensive throw ins especially … as these are more frequent and are the real ‘go to’ for teams wishing to slow the game now that there is less opportunity to do so from GK ball in hand situations.
So you'd unfairly apply the laws depending
on the score?
if you hadn't had a touch in the opponent's penalty area all game, you'd reason that taking an age to set up for a long throw into the PA is probably worth the time.
O'Reilly's booking came after a delay because the Brentford manager kicked the ball onto the pitch to give his defenders time to mark opponents - which is why O'Reilly was looking for a teammate to throw it to!
(Anyone know the definitive PL advice on towels around the pitch? And - last week - did the player who nicked the opposition GK's towel to dry the ball not get a YC for USB?)
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I don't think it's 'unfairly applying the laws depending on the score'.
The offence is delaying the restart. We're told that has to be deliberate, obvious and impactful.
If a team is clearly slowing it down with a 1-0 lead it becomes a lot more obvious and a lot more deliberate than a team who are 1-0 down taking a while.
I can see that, but it can still lead to charges of inconsistency - and possibly in that match led to another YC that was simply wrong in law. I've copied and pasted this from ratetheref (presumably from a City fan):
Nunes (City) was shown a yellow car for not retreating for a free kick when the Brentford kicked the ball right at him, Nunes did not make any move to stop the ball just stood there. Don't have a problem with that as such as it annoys me when players don't retreat, be they City or otherwise. However not long before that two Brentford players had stood a similar distance away from a City free kick blocking off two forward passing routes and no action was taken about that as City played the ball to the side.
Nunes (City) was shown a yellow car for not retreating for a free kick when the Brentford kicked the ball right at him, Nunes did not make any move to stop the ball just stood there. Don't have a problem with that as such as it annoys me when players don't retreat, be they City or otherwise. However not long before that two Brentford players had stood a similar distance away from a City free kick blocking off two forward passing routes and no action was taken about that as City played the ball to the side.
ChasObserverRefDeveloper
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I just checked with the FA - Observers are not allowed to die currently, as we are short of Observers nationally.That would be very sensible/prudent. It’s worked with the goalkeepers and no reason to doubt it would work with throw-ins. If at the same time IFAB changed the place of the goal kick to how it used to be/same as corner kicks viz side of the goal area where the ball crossed the goal-line I would die a happy Observer.
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one
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I beg to differ. The average number of corners is around 9-10 per game. I don't have stats around long TI but from what I've seen, it's less and it will get less with defenders conceding less and less as the trend develops.
Referees delay corner kicks only after the full backs ars in the PA already. But again, I don't see any difference in the role of the referees for long TI and corners.
socal lurker
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Why go back with GKs? What would that gain other than delays when the player taking the kick is told he’s on the wrong side?That would be very sensible/prudent. It’s worked with the goalkeepers and no reason to doubt it would work with throw-ins. If at the same time IFAB changed the place of the goal kick to how it used to be/same as corner kicks viz side of the goal area where the ball crossed the goal-line I would die a happy Observer.
bester
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@one There's between 35 and 45 throw-ins a match.
It's the defender standing ready to take a defensive throw and then taking 20 seconds that's the issue.
A long throw is a legitimate reason for a longer delay, in practice the person taking a long throw is going to take a while to get to the point of the throw-in.
It's the defender standing ready to take a defensive throw and then taking 20 seconds that's the issue.
A long throw is a legitimate reason for a longer delay, in practice the person taking a long throw is going to take a while to get to the point of the throw-in.
I don't necessarily agree with @DavidObs on this one, I'm undecided, but his theory is that goalkeepers slow the game more with the fact that currently they can choose either side (and obviously when leading narrowly they always choose the opposite side to the one they're retrieving the ball from than if there was a set rule on sides which means theoretically on 50% of goal kicks the keeper must kick from the closest side.
socal lurker
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Yeah, but how much time does it take to move across to the other side vs. how much time it takes to shoo the keeper back to the right side? I think putting that rule back in would increase the amount of wasted time.
one
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And what happens to the other 50%? (I think one of us has how this rule should be described in a twist)