I am saying I would expect to support the Assistants advice & for the Referee supporting it, so long as he said in the PMD that he did not guess, or he thought it was probably a goal (both of which he is not likely to say). If AR’s had MCS on the National League and a similar incident went to the MCS Panel, I am 99% certain that they also would support the AR since the benefit of any doubt goes with the official & that to me is how it should be.
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I reckon he does get it right, it probably is in. But he's 100% guessing
I am saying I would expect to support the Assistants advice & for the Referee supporting it, so long as he said in the PMD that he did not guess, or he thought it was probably a goal (both of which he is not likely to say). If AR’s had MCS on the National League and a similar incident went to the MCS Panel, I am 99% certain that they also would support the AR since the benefit of any doubt gothe official & that to me is how it should be.
I don’t think it’s fair to say he is 100% guessing, because the only one knows for sure is him. If you said there is perhaps some element of guesswork then that is perhaps a fairer reflection, but we will probably never know.
Although I don’t get on with Runner Ref, he would be accurate to say that I hardly ever comment on here about errors from officials, but that’s because there is enough comments from everyone else & I will often not have anything else to say. What I get frustrated about is what I perceive to be unfair criticism of Referees and/or ARs.
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I am more than happy for officials to be backed, as long as the facts add up.
You mentioned daylight. This is not a thing within the laws.
You said the AR flagged from behind the corner flag. This means nothing is they were yards behind when the incident occurred.
If you didn’t know what I meant by daylight and flagging then there is just no pleasing you. We may be best just to ignore each other.
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You are trying to justify things by making things up. If you are going to try and support referees, use law. Daylight is not law.
Daylight clearly is a thing for ball over the line, there has to be a gap between the very edge of the ball and the goal line, so really not understanding your point here. Yes, the word doesn't appear in law, but the whole of the ball needs to cross the whole of the line, which by definition means there will be daylight (unless it was dark
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Exactly the same as offside. And pundits are often mocked when they use the term daylight when discussing that.Daylight clearly is a thing for ball over the line, there has to be a gap between the very edge of the ball and the goal line, so really not understanding your point here. Yes, the word doesn't appear in law, but the whole of the ball needs to cross the whole of the line, which by definition means there will be daylight (unless it was dark
It’s not mentioned in the laws and was never ever mentioned at an CORE or Dev event I went to
Absolutely my point.Daylight clearly is a thing for ball over the line, there has to be a gap between the very edge of the ball and the goal line, so really not understanding your point here. Yes, the word doesn't appear in law, but the whole of the ball needs to cross the whole of the line, which by definition means there will be daylight (unless it was dark
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Your point is an AR who is at least 3 yards behind play is okay to flag a tight goal line decision. You have used a term such as ‘daylight’ which is not a term within the laws to justify your statement.
Probably because it’s common sense/obvious. How else would anyone decide whether:
A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no offence has been committed by the team scoring the goal - as per Law!!
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By being in line and deciding if the whole of the ball was over the line. Pretty simple.
If you are using daylight for this, I hope you use it when determining offside.
I’ll expect you to be advising IFAB/FA/PGMOL that they’re wrong to not include daylight in any of their guidance or laws.
criteria is needed to decide marginal decisions, which you have not drilled down into - how do you decide/what is required to decide. It’s difficult enough to discuss anything with you, so I’m definitely not going into offside, which in any event is not the focus of the authors comments.
Daylight is completely different for offside. There are any number of parts of a body than can be used to judge offside, both for the attacker and defender, whereas here there is a ball and a line. There has to be a gap between the two and therefore by definition there has to be daylight, or floodlight between them.
It feel like, as seems to be the case on an increasing number of posts, you are arguing a point just to get a response and argument.
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Which is prime example of you going against law, something of which you’re normally dead against. But as that was mean criticism can official, you won’t do it.
FWIW, I was the author of the thread
Your stance of referees doing no wrong harms referees and football. Sadly, you’ll never realise this.
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Show me in law where daylight is discussed. Whether than be offside or ball over the line.
You are not worth any effort and this is my last post ever with you.
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Oh so daylight is a thing? Which section in law is it discussed? Which development or CORE event was it mentioned?
