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Benteke goal v Bournmouth

deusex

deusex

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Well that's the new interpretation of the offside law out the bloody window.
This wasn't even close.
Major error in law for me.
I had hoped we had left last season (probably the worst EPL season for refereeing performances in its existence) behind us, but when I see this...
This goal being allowed is incomprehensible.
 
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Calm down lads. I'm sure the AR who made the error is currently beating himself up and will probably struggle to sleep for the next few days. He hasn't got to doing the line on a Monday night live game without being very good.

An error in his usual good judgement which he will get over. We will all do worse, luckily for us there won't be 20 odd camera's focusing on our every decision.
 
I went to the game, i didnt see that as was at other end, my biggest gripes were the decision to disallow the bournemouth goal AND the very inconsistent cardings, we got a couple for trying to play the ball but fouling and breaking down the attack so yeah ok, Gradel challenged i think clyne and they both went to floor (second half) and as gradel got up clyne just held him back, pawson clearly saw it as he gave the free kick? Stonewall yellow mr pawson, come on
 
Steve C said:
I went to the game, i didnt see that as was at other end, my biggest gripes were the decision to disallow the bournemouth goal AND the very inconsistent cardings, we got a couple for trying to play the ball but fouling and breaking down the attack so yeah ok, Gradel challenged i think clyne and they both went to floor (second half) and as gradel got up clyne just held him back, pawson clearly saw it as he gave the free kick? Stonewall yellow mr pawson, come on
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The decision to award a foul instead of give Bournemouth a goal was right imo. Lovren would have headed the ball away if he wasn't fouled.

As for the inconsistent yellow cards. I'm not sure what you mean? All pretty nailed on for me. Had a decent game really.
 
Behave Jacko, ive just watched it back, theres no foul there, thats an aerial battle that happens day in day out and nothing ever gets given, so why that eh? Is that a new rule that got brought in that is getting implemented but no know one knows about?
 
If your looking directly at that the only decision is a foul. Holding the defender back from winning the header and using him as leverage.
 
Hahaha, if youre giving that i feel sorry for the players you ref then! And as for these 'nailed on yellows' eunan o kane outpaces coutinho and gets infront of him and goes for the ball coutinho runs into the back of him and goes down, yellow, he then holds a player down after a tackle preventing an attack, thats a yellow card, funny how you didnt see that?
 
O'Kane didn't outpace Coutinho. He 'took one for the team'.

You're focusing on one challenge, the camera's never really focused on it. It didn't stand out. He'd already cautioned 5 players, if he'd of seen it as you describe then he probably would have cautioned, but I can't comment. Maybe it was 50/50.
 
It was first booking of the game, o kane got past coutinho to get to the ball went to play the ball with coutinho full pace into the back of him got the foul and a yellow, never a yellow or a foul in a million years
 
And the camera focused on that booking and showed replays, the other one, you can see an arm around the waist of gradel and as the camera zooms in you can see coutinho sat on his legs
 
Steve C said:
It was first booking of the game, o kane got past coutinho to get to the ball went to play the ball with coutinho full pace into the back of him got the foul and a yellow, never a yellow or a foul in a million years
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I know. I saw that, it was nailed on. A classic 'taking one for the team' like I said.

He ran infront of him and blocked him off! Stopping a promising attack. A tactical foul, which is a mandatory caution.
 
Never! He got round him and tried to play the ball, he didnt stop, if he got past him from behind why would he stop? Hes clearly faster so hes going for the ball, theres nothing there
 
Ay ay calm down calm down

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keep your knickers on guys!

I completely agree with @Steve C here ... the Bournmouth goal was never a foul ... even Neville and Carragher (2 great ex DEFENDERS) said it wasn't a foul, Lovren was just clever in his reaction (arching his back and looking like he'd been fouled)
 
deusex said:
Well that's the new interpretation of the offside law out the bloody window.
This wasn't even close.
Major error in law for me.
I had hoped we had left last season (probably the worst EPL season for refereeing performances in its existence) behind us, but when I see this...
This goal being allowed is incomprehensible.
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I'll play Devil's Advocate here and suggest that maybe the AR wasn't wrong under the new interpretation.

Coutinho was in an offside position - yes, but that's not an offence in itself.
Coutinho made a clear attempt to play the ball - yes.
Coutinho was close to the ball - yes, inches away is pretty close.
Coutinho had an impact on the opponent - not convinced he did impact an opponent, in this case Artur Boruc. As Devil's Advocate, I'd say he didn't.

Therefore, we don't have 3 ticks and therefore, it is not an offside offence.

Maybe, just maybe, the AR got it right.
 
David Sutton said:
I'll play Devil's Advocate here and suggest that maybe the AR wasn't wrong under the new interpretation.

Coutinho was in an offside position - yes, but that's not an offence in itself.
Coutinho made a clear attempt to play the ball - yes.
Coutinho was close to the ball - yes, inches away is pretty close.
Coutinho had an impact on the opponent - not convinced he did impact an opponent, in this case Artur Boruc. As Devil's Advocate, I'd say he didn't.

Therefore, we don't have 3 ticks and therefore, it is not an offside offence.

Maybe, just maybe, the AR got it right.
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It had a clear impact on the Goalkeeper. The keeper had to wait until after Coutinho had attempted to play the ball to position himself to try and save Benteke's shot.
 
again @David Sutton I must firmly disagree - he makes a solid effort to play the ball causing Boruc to stand his ground and 'make himself big' by raising his arms, he then has to try and reposition at the last minute when Big Benteke comes gloating in ...

new Interpretation - Offside, as Eddie Howe said, that's has clear a offside for the new rules as you'll see this season.
 
That's why I like playing Devil's Advocate :devil:

Does the AR have too much too think about in such a short space of time?
Does he even have the right angle to interpret what impact it has on an opponent?
Is this a failure in communication between AR and Ref?
Are we complicating things too much and can these new interpretations actually work in practice?

Don't forget, you've a split second to react, from the side-on view and no replay.

If it had been me on a Saturday, my flag would have gone up for offside but what would my assessor have said if I'd been assessed?
 

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With comm kits they could have resolved any indecision quite quickly.

You're right though @David Sutton - it is not the AR, probably was the refs final call on the matter.
 
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