Bayern v PSG - 6.05

[JD1]

PSG player clears the ball from own penalty area, their team mate extends arm in natural response and it hits their hand, its a penalty surely.

The worst part for me is that the BBC are putting out complete nonsense and quoting guidance as law (of which the source leaves me skeptical)

'According to BBC Sport's football issues correspondent Dale Johnson, it was because of a little-known exemption within the handball law.

According to the laws of the game, it is not a handball if "hit on the hand/arm by the ball which has been played by a team-mate (unless the ball goes directly into the opponents' goal or the player scores immediately afterwards, in which case a direct free-kick is awarded to the other team)".

This is NOT according to the laws of the game, definitely not Law 12 and the inaccuracy is dominating the media narrative, it needs someone with decent social media clout to call it out.

'A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation'

Whether it was his team mate or not has zip all to do with it, infuriating.

 

[es1]

Given other pens given for incredibly minor infractions in recent games I was amazed this wasn't given

 

[Outsidelefts]

The 3rd bullet point is what they’re referring to. Which to be fair to the BBC, is directly from IFAB

 

[JamesL]

The 3rd bullet point is what they’re referring to

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That is not the laws but a simplified rules.

It has also not been updated to the best of my knowledge since it's first version

 

[JD1]

That is not the laws but a simplified rules.

It has also not been updated to the best of my knowledge since it's first version

That page comes under the URL - footballrules.com, has a couple of links to the IFAB website but as far as I can see there is no way to get there from TheIFAB.com itself

Its not pertinent and an echo from historic publications

 

[The Gump]

I was curious about this too - I couldn't find any reference to this apparent "exemption" either in the LOTG but our laws gurus have clarified to a degree above.

It's going to cause us a problem at grassroots as is it an offence or not?! I would never give a free kick for what happened, and wouldn't expect it to be given in our (GB) professional game given the difference between how the handball law is officiated in Europe and the UK.

 

[Outsidelefts]

That page comes under the URL - footballrules.com, has a couple of links to the IFAB website but as far as I can see there is no way to get there from TheIFAB.com itself

Its not pertinent and an echo from historic publications

Footballrules.com is owned and covered by IFAB

I am new here as a poster but a longtime follower. If very intrigued by @JamesL shooting my post down. He has used this site to justify things previously

Whether we like it or not, our colleagues at the higher levels follow guidance over law. This has been the case for a long time

 

[JamesL]

Footballrules.com is owned and covered by IFAB

I am new here as a poster but a longtime follower. If very intrigued by @JamesL shooting my post down. He has used this site to justify things previously

Whether we like it or not, our colleagues at the higher levels follow guidance over law. This has been the case for a long time

I dont recall using it as justification and to be fair if I had done, then they would have been significantly more current if/when I did. That iteration, I believe, was published when that faq correlated directly with law.

I think if you dig deep enough I called out this exact situation occurring where the rules were not updated in line with laws and we'd have mismatch between what the good book says Vs what they rules simplified for not refereeing folks said.

I did not shoot your post down btw I just pointed out that the rules are not the laws (in the context of the two ifab publications) and that the rules had not been updated since version 1 now several years ago so, we as referees cannot rely on them for accuracy or today's laws of the game.

 

[bester]

It's in the Q&A on the LOTG APP.

 

[JamesL]

It's in the Q&A on the LOTG APP.

Of course it is

 

[one]

I think I may have mentioned this before. Not having a Single Source of Truth (SSoT) has caused so many stuff ups and financial losses in just about every industry but organisations still don't learn. It is a well known concept.
The SSoT for LOTG is (should be?) the latest English version of the downloadable booklet from the IFB website and it trumps all of below:

• the IFB social media Q&A
• IFAB comments in social media
• emails from individuals in ifab.com domain
• other websites (owned by IFAB or not)
• theh IFAB app,
• Q&A in the app
• the law webpages in the IFAB website (yes I have found differences to the book)
• "guidance" from footballing or refereeing bodies.

Urgent mid-season circulars may be an exemption but they should find their way into the next version of the booklet.

 

[socal lurker]

Does the Game really want this to be a HB penalty on a clearance that takes a teammate p’s arm at close distance when he is turning away?

As others have said, there is a mesh mash of guidance out there—and we really don’t even know what guidance, specifically, UEFA is giving for this competition.

For me, no call is the better result. Rather than looking at checklists, I’m thinking of the concepts and ideals behind them. “Biggering” arose as a way of identifying sneaky deliberate handling. Sure, it has evolved a bit with the re-defining it as something separate from deliberate. But the core concept is that a player should not be able to unfairly take up space with the arm to disadvantage the opposing team. Is that remotely close to what happened here? No, he turned away from a clearance by his teammate at close range, blocking his own teammate’s clearance. That USB’s unfair to the other team in any way. Sure, we’d have a different discussion if this blocked an opponent, but is his arm really in an unnatural position for a person turning away from a ball blasted at close range. I don’t think so. I think this was a good no call.

 

[Outsidelefts]

I dont recall using it as justification and to be fair if I had done, then they would have been significantly more current if/when I did. That iteration, I believe, was published when that faq correlated directly with law.

I think if you dig deep enough I called out this exact situation occurring where the rules were not updated in line with laws and we'd have mismatch between what the good book says Vs what they rules simplified for not refereeing folks said.

I did not shoot your post down btw I just pointed out that the rules are not the laws (in the context of the two ifab publications) and that the rules had not been updated since version 1 now several years ago so, we as referees cannot rely on them for accuracy or today's laws of the game.

You used it here

 

[JamesL]

You used it here

I did. But I wasn't using it as justification.

In the previous post I stated that it had been taken out of law but was still appearing in the rules and I was responding to a user querying it.

In the following post after this one I agreed that laws trumped rules, exactly what I am still saying today, but that UEFA were still using that scenario as mitigation in their considerations.

I love that you have gone back through 18 months of my posts to dig this out btw. That's some effort