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Anderlecht v Genk to be replayed

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DJIC

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That‘s set a precedent! Tie replayed because of Ref/VAR error, gave free kick for both team’s encroaching but should have been a retake.

The screenshot, not best timed but not the worst encroachment you will ever see.

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Keep a copy of penalty re-takes in your match card book?

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Grief, whos encroaching!!??

Awful decision...stupid precedent to set. Every var error now under immense scrutiny in Belgium
 
This will be publicised as ‘VAR mistake leads to game being replayed’ but that’s actually not the case.

It’s a serious failure to apply the laws of the game, which already sees replays being instructed (I.e early rounds of FA Cup where games have been replayed for referees using sin bin for dissent or incorrect number of substitutes allowed)
 
Kent Ref said:
When i froze the video as the attacker strikes it there are 11 extra players in the box or D.
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Yeah, at the point of it being kicked there's any number of players encroaching, including the #14 who scored the rebound. Think that would be retaken through VAR wherever it is used, the obvious issue here is they made a complete mess of the restart.

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Not really enough info to work out what's actually gone wrong here.
Clearly the VAR has provided info on an objective decision and this has lead to the incorrect restart.
Possibilities are:
VAR has told ref attacking player, who scored, was encroaching and neglected to advise both teams were doing so.
VAR has told the referee both teams were encroaching and the referee determined the incorrect restart.
It would be interesting to see if the VAR would have got involved if the penalty was missed or scored directly, or a non-encroaching player had played the ball.
Example of what we do when we referee that's not quite in tune with the book and then getting it wrong by the book when there is tech that should be correcting certain situations and the expectation is heightened on the restart being correct.
 
JamesL said:
It would be interesting to see if the VAR would have got involved if the penalty was missed or scored directly, or a non-encroaching player had played the ball.
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If the penalty was missed or scored then VAR can't get involved in player encroachment. If a non-encroaching had scored the the goal would be allowed

  • offence by goalkeeper and/or kicker at the taking of a penalty kick or encroachment by an attacker or defender who becomes directly involved in play if the penalty kick rebounds from the goalpost, crossbar or goalkeeper
 
socal lurker said:
It used to be more simpele. It’s the “improvements” that have made it complicated.
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Used to be more simple? No way. Here is the Law as set down in 1996, 28 years ago.


(3) (a) If, after having given the signal for a
penalty-kick to be taken, the referee sees that
the goalkeeper is not in his right place on the
goal-line, he shall, nevertheless, allow the kick
to proceed . It shall be retaken, if a goal is not
scored .
(b) If, after the referee has given the signal
for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before the
ball has been kicked, the goal-keeper moves
his feet, the referee shall, nevertheless, allow
the kick to proceed . It shall be retaken, if a goal
is not scored .
(c) If, after the referee has given the signal
for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before the
ball is in play, a player of the defending team
encroaches into the penalty-area, or within ten
yards of the penalty-mark, the referee shall,
nevertheless, allow the kick to proceed . It shall
be retaken, if a goal is not scored .
The player concerned shall be cautioned .
(4) (a) If, when a penalty-kick is being taken,
the player taking the kick is guilty of ungentle-
manly conduct, the kick, if already taken, shall
be retaken, if a goal is scored .
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The player concerned shall be cautioned.
(b) If, after the referee has given the signal
for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before the
ball is in play, a colleague of the player taking
the kick encroaches into the penalty-area or
within ten yards of the penalty-mark, the ref-
eree shall, nevertheless, allow the kick to pro-
ceed . If a goal is scored, it shall be disallowed,
and the kick retaken .
The players concerned shall be cautioned .
(c) If, in the circumstances described in the
foregoing paragraph, the ball rebounds into
play from the goalkeeper, the cross-bar or a
goal-post, and a goal has not been scored, the
referee shall stop the game, caution the player
and award an indirect free-kick to the oppos-
ing team from the place where the infringe-
ment occurred, subject to the overriding condi-
tions imposed in Law XI II .
(5) (a) If, after the referee has given the sig-
nal for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before
the ball is in play, the goalkeeper moves from
his position on the goal-line, or moves his feet,
and a colleague of the kicker encroaches into
the penalty-area or within 10 yards of the pen-
alty-mark, the kick, if taken, shall be retaken .
The colleague of the kicker shall be cau-
tioned.
(b) If, after the referee has given the signal
for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before the
ball is in play, a player of each team en-
croaches into the penalty-area, or within 10
yards of the penalty-mark, the kick, if taken,
shall be retaken .
The players concerned shall be cautioned
 
Anyone else wonder why on earth we have to caution kicker if they offend at the same time as the keeper? Stupid for me.
 
DJIC said:
That‘s set a precedent! Tie replayed because of Ref/VAR error, gave free kick for both team’s encroaching but should have been a retake.

The screenshot, not best timed but not the worst encroachment you will ever see.

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There's no precedent being set here. It has already happened several times before that an incorrect restart after penalty encroachment led to a replayed match.

I dare say there have been others but I can recall at least three such incidents in the past.

Here are links that I found for the three I can remember.

Bizarre ref mistake leads to U-19 replay days later

Bahrain qualifier must be replayed

Replay for error by referee opens 'can of worms'
 
Dan56 said:
Used to be more simple? No way. Here is the Law as set down in 1996, 28 years ago.


(3) (a) If, after having given the signal for a
penalty-kick to be taken, the referee sees that
the goalkeeper is not in his right place on the
goal-line, he shall, nevertheless, allow the kick
to proceed . It shall be retaken, if a goal is not
scored .
(b) If, after the referee has given the signal
for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before the
ball has been kicked, the goal-keeper moves
his feet, the referee shall, nevertheless, allow
the kick to proceed . It shall be retaken, if a goal
is not scored .
(c) If, after the referee has given the signal
for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before the
ball is in play, a player of the defending team
encroaches into the penalty-area, or within ten
yards of the penalty-mark, the referee shall,
nevertheless, allow the kick to proceed . It shall
be retaken, if a goal is not scored .
The player concerned shall be cautioned .
(4) (a) If, when a penalty-kick is being taken,
the player taking the kick is guilty of ungentle-
manly conduct, the kick, if already taken, shall
be retaken, if a goal is scored .
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The player concerned shall be cautioned.
(b) If, after the referee has given the signal
for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before the
ball is in play, a colleague of the player taking
the kick encroaches into the penalty-area or
within ten yards of the penalty-mark, the ref-
eree shall, nevertheless, allow the kick to pro-
ceed . If a goal is scored, it shall be disallowed,
and the kick retaken .
The players concerned shall be cautioned .
(c) If, in the circumstances described in the
foregoing paragraph, the ball rebounds into
play from the goalkeeper, the cross-bar or a
goal-post, and a goal has not been scored, the
referee shall stop the game, caution the player
and award an indirect free-kick to the oppos-
ing team from the place where the infringe-
ment occurred, subject to the overriding condi-
tions imposed in Law XI II .
(5) (a) If, after the referee has given the sig-
nal for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before
the ball is in play, the goalkeeper moves from
his position on the goal-line, or moves his feet,
and a colleague of the kicker encroaches into
the penalty-area or within 10 yards of the pen-
alty-mark, the kick, if taken, shall be retaken .
The colleague of the kicker shall be cau-
tioned.
(b) If, after the referee has given the signal
for a penalty-kick to be taken, and before the
ball is in play, a player of each team en-
croaches into the penalty-area, or within 10
yards of the penalty-mark, the kick, if taken,
shall be retaken .
The players concerned shall be cautioned
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that’s not from the Laws. That is an expounding of the meaning of the Laws in the Decisions of the International Board. Law XIV was very simple and easy to understand without the Decisions. If the defending team offended, the Pk was retaKen unless it scored. If the defending team offended and scored it was retaken, and if they offended and misses, it was an IFK. And if both offended it was retaken regardless. The exceptions that caused a team to essentially forfeit the PK for certain fractions came later
 
It’s two games now.

In a non-VAR match no one has a problem with the goal.

When any sane non-partisan fan looks at this they don’t think this is an offence.

Yet, here we are. More evidence for me that VAR is not football. It’s different sport. Pack it off to the super league and give us back our game.
 
santa sangria said:
It’s two games now.

In a non-VAR match no one has a problem with the goal.

When any sane non-partisan fan looks at this they don’t think this is an offence.

Yet, here we are. More evidence for me that VAR is not football. It’s different sport. Pack it off to the super league and give us back our game.
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This is like offsides though, it is black and white so they can't let it go with VAR. Just as you are either on or offside, you are either inside or outside of the penalty area or D when the ball is kicked.
 
RustyRef said:
This is like offsides though, it is black and white so they can't let it go with VAR. Just as you are either on or offside, you are either inside or outside of the penalty area or D when the ball is kicked.
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Except that VAR isn’t be ing used absolutely. It’s only being used in specific contexts, which is why the results can be weird.
 
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