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Ajax Bayern

This has been the subject of previous debates, a few posts earlier on this thread and I started another thread on it recently. IMO it is possible for the ball to make contact with the hand and constitute deliberate play but not deliberate handball. Many agreed with this view in the past debates but it was not unanimous.
I should think that you and the many were wrong.......by definition a deliberate play with the hand is handball....no exception
 
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The problem is that law doesn't account for accidental handling at all.
So, a 'save' is a deliberate action to block a ball - which resets offside EXCEPT when it's a shot on/near goal. I mean, that law is problematic enough - why do these idiots keep complicating it?
Deliberate handling is one thing - and it's been established by Elleray that deliberate handling constitutes playing the ball, so can reset offside.

So deliberate kicking the ball when it's a shot on goal doesn't reset offside, but deliberately handling doesn't? That makes no sense at all.
And if we extend that further - accidental handling also doesn't? Again, that makes no sense whatsoever. The law is contradictory.

Given that the LOTG are usually written very, very badly (it seems that nobody proofreads), I'm putting this one down to the text potentially having an unintended consequence (like when we all thought, for a brief period, that dissent could now be a penalty kick).

Personally I don't have the foggiest what they're trying to achieve with that 'except with the hand' clause.
Well, it’s the GK phrase copy/pasted isn’t it. Hopefully, if the handball is update this will also getafix
 
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