santa sangria
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Muller - not that sort of player - wait until you see...
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santa sangria
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The 6th goal looked like offside - blocked shot save went through to Ajax PIOP ... can't find the clip though
Harsh... play on.... said no-one!!! 
The "deliberate save" by the defender was handling (arm was well outside the body, put there before the shot was taken -- and this is what UEFA and FIFA teach and practice, so don't bother arguing that you wouldn't call it handling), so that becomes a "deliberate play" under the Laws... and thus, not an offside offence.
I haven't seen a clear replay, looked a deflection on first viewing. I have trouble with what you're saying, a deliberate play using the hands is punished by a DFK or PK. You cannot deliberately handle the ball within the laws of the game. It was either a deflection or a pen from what you're telling me.
spuddy1878
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Action by a player which makes contact with the ball
Where does it say that you cant consider the ball as played with the hand? I have not seen any of the games last night but if a player commits a deliberate handball offence then by default he has deliberately played the ball. Therefore any offside is reset and we have that thing called "advantage" so does not neccessarily have to be punished by DFK.
CapnBloodbeard
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Nothing would have happened. PA encroachment has gone the way of the goalkeeper 6 second rule. Heck the Ajax player could have saved the goal himself and nothing would happen the way things are going. Seen players level with the kicker quite often.
But what about the referee's position? Odd one. Although if he's not going to penalise encroachment he probably looks less stupid on this side of the ball...... (commenting on how often encroaching players have run past the referee with no retake)
spuddy1878
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You with encroachment would be down to the assistant, would make it all a lot easier especially when you have another assistant behind the goal.
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The defender has definately touched the ball before that last goal and attacker who touched it was clearly in an offside position. Options here are:
1. Not deliberate play by defender. This means a deflection and offside should have been called.
2. Deliberate play by defender:
2.a. deliberate handball. I don't see any decent referee playing advantage for it. There is still a fair bit of work to do and advice is unless it's rolling in or a very simple tap in, give the penalty. The ref did not signal advantage either. Given the defender put his hands (and arms) behind his back as well, I am ruling this option out.
2.b. not deliberate handball. This would make the touch a save and that means the attacker should have been called for offside.
Whichever way I look at this, it looks like an error by the third team
1. Not deliberate play by defender. This means a deflection and offside should have been called.
2. Deliberate play by defender:
2.a. deliberate handball. I don't see any decent referee playing advantage for it. There is still a fair bit of work to do and advice is unless it's rolling in or a very simple tap in, give the penalty. The ref did not signal advantage either. Given the defender put his hands (and arms) behind his back as well, I am ruling this option out.
2.b. not deliberate handball. This would make the touch a save and that means the attacker should have been called for offside.
Whichever way I look at this, it looks like an error by the third team
You're agreeing that you cannot deliberately play the ball with the hand. The referee did not play advantage, therefore it should've been disallowed for offside.
Shocking challenge! Was the Ajax play left with scratches or did it rub off with a sponge? 
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You went on to admit that playing the ball deliberately with the arm would be an offence.
You're saying offside is reset from a DHB, I haven't debated that point.
The referee did not play advantage therefore he did not see a handball offence.
There's 3 options here (if it hit an arm, I haven't seen a good replay):
1. DHB - penalty (ref didn't give it)
2. DHB - advantage and no offside (ref didn't signal advantage)
3. Deflection - offside
