It is common for one of the quarter final referees to do the final, indeed many European competitions select the final referee from the best performing quarter final referee, so don't really see why Makkelie would be ruled out. I completely understand there were logistical challenges, but the fact remains he was a very inexperienced referee for such a big game. And despite that I thought he did well overall, and if there should be any criticism it should be towards VAR who have somehow managed to miss two clear acts of VC.Honestly, who else could have done it? Makkelie is likely doing the final. Turpin is likely on one of the semifinal second legs. No English or Spanish referee could have done it. Apparently, Orsato is injured. As noted earlier, no Karasev, Hategan, or Cakir. Brych and Kuipers are retired from international duty at a minimum.
Unless you bring in a big South American option like Pitana or Rapallini, Siebert was as good of an option as anyone.
As others have said, what is the constant for these s***house games?
EDIT-I missed your follow up post. Apologies.
And maybe, just maybe, had a number of THAT type of matches during his rise from parks to UCL.He's probably Germany's number one ref (at least who hasn't been banned in a match fixing scandal) and will be at the world cup. It's not like they picked a guy from Andorra.
He has refereed Ath Madrid in Europe this season v Liverpool in Group stages in fact sent of Griezmann for high foot on Firmino in 52nd minute, so he isn’t shy of issuing red card If feels the need to.BTW this was his 10th ever CL game and his first year working in the knockout stages. He's never officiated Atletico before in Europe.
Let's not go too hard on a young rising referee because he didn't handle this game like Felix Brych did at the end of his career. He'll probably learn a few things from this.
I think they kind of threw him to the wolves knowing there was a good chance it would go wrong because UEFA doesn't have access to a lot of it's top refs for the semis. No Spanish or English refs, Hatagan (heart attack), Karasev (Russian), or Cakir (issues at home) for the semis. So Seibert got the "sink or swim" game.
I wasn't going to bother with this thread, no matter how tempting to observe that a foreign ref fails to give early YC and it's terrible but in the EPL it's good game management.Just watchimg more of the drama, when did City sign Neymar? Am not really up to speed with football other than refereeing aspects but thats Neymar somehow wearing a shirt saying Foden
Absolutely he was booted, only he will know how sore it was but those theatrics are shameful. Every traditional UK football fan would be ridiculing a notorious cheat for those antics. Regardless of whether Atheltico ' deserved' it
i hope UEFA open a charge against him
I wasn't going to bother with this thread, no matter how tempting to observe that a foreign ref fails to give early YC and it's terrible but in the EPL it's good game management.
But this post is just victim blaming.
that’s modern day football for you. It does my head inYou dont class Fodens actions as an affront to the game?
he gets fouled, then kicked on the follow through, no doubts
but to roll, roll,roll.roll,roll......is blatent gamesmanship and pure theatre.
if i kicked you today like that, you might fall. You would not impersonate being trapped in a washing machine. Only in football does getting a blow to the ankle result in a catherine wheel, whereas the rest of society goes, ah, my leg.
am sure folk have seen Karate Kid, and, Sweep the Leg. Daniel Son, slumped to the floor, after being mullered by a martial arts expert. No forward rolls, nothing.
pure theatre
Absolutely agree here. I think the over-acting/gamesmanship is a dangerous precedent - how are we to know when there is an actual injury.You dont class Fodens actions as an affront to the game?
he gets fouled, then kicked on the follow through, no doubts
but to roll, roll,roll.roll,roll......is blatent gamesmanship and pure theatre.
if i kicked you today like that, you might fall. You would not impersonate being trapped in a washing machine. Only in football does getting a blow to the ankle result in a catherine wheel, whereas the rest of society goes, ah, my leg.
am sure folk have seen Karate Kid, and, Sweep the Leg. Daniel Son, slumped to the floor, after being mullered by a martial arts expert. No forward rolls, nothing.
pure theatre
I think you miss the art of refereeing, your pre-match research gives you a guide on you mindset of managing or an early card concept even at grass roots it is essential preparation. Man managing two footballing sides eg Sunday ManC/Liverpool, I would hope all referees would set a different approach with any Athletico Madrid match, give them an inch…..I wasn't going to bother with this thread, no matter how tempting to observe that a foreign ref fails to give early YC and it's terrible but in the EPL it's good game management.
But this post is just victim blaming.
There you go again. "Pep's tactical fouls", perpetuating a myth.Foden consciously and deliberately rolled himself back onto the pitch to ensure the game couldn't be restarted without him. As with our discussion about Pep's tactical fouls - I don't like it, but that doesn't mean it's not the smart thing to do under current laws. It's also wildly hypocritical for Atleti players to get wound up about it!
Wow. Seriously, this is a wild overreaction.There you go again. "Pep's tactical fouls", perpetuating a myth.
Why not "ensure the game couldn't be restarted without him"? Seriously - you expect a player who's just been subject to VC to stay off the pitch, rather than risk the referee - who'd missed a YC on him for an earlier assault - "not seeing" the VC and allowing play to restart while he's still getting treatment?
I hate playacting by any team, but I'm making an exception in this case. Was he playacting when flattened by Felipe earlier? Actually, I'd call it "s...housery" and it looks like City decided to outs...house the s...housers in chief!
Oh, and if referees don't punish YC fouls with YCs unless players roll around, they will roll around. Foden's a quick learner and he's already learnt this season in the EPL that trying to stay on your feet when you've been fouled in the PA doesn't get you anything other than praise for honesty.
I wasn't going to bother with this thread, no matter how tempting to observe that a foreign ref fails to give early YC and it's terrible but in the EPL it's good game management.
But this post is just victim blaming.