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Can't give the minutes / seconds on the video but between first goal and half time there's a SFP call for a Keane foul on Doku. YC from Oliver and City commentator says "The reason it's not going to be a red card is that VAR will not overrule Michael Oliver's call...."

But what was going on for the Everton equaliser? AR sees attacker Barry in offside position and AR stops, not keeping up with play; ball was played nearer defender Guehi so no question of Barry interfering; Guehi then tries passing ball to GK but gives it to Barry (in offside position) but it's obvious ball was deliberately played not deflected. Then flag goes up...
 
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The goal is a weird one for me.

Personally id like to see this as offside as he has gained an advantage being there with the initial intended pass clearly for Barry.
However, law says otherwise.
Barry never made an obvious move for the ball and Guehi, unchallenged at this point, turns and passes to him. This makes it a deliberate pass by Guehi and a completely new phase of play.
Remember, its not an offence to be in an offside position. Only if you become involved in the offside phase of play.


bloovee said:

Can't give the minutes / seconds on the video but between first goal and half time there's a SFP call for a Keane foul on Doku. YC from Oliver and City commentator says "The reason it's not going to be a red card is that VAR will not overrule Michael Oliver's call...."

But what was going on for the Everton equaliser? AR sees attacker Barry in offside position and AR stops, not keeping up with play; ball was played nearer defender Guehi so no question of Barry interfering; Guehi then tries passing ball to GK but gives it to Barry (in offside position) but it's obvious ball was deliberately played not deflected. Then flag goes up...
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I don't think that's SFP.
Yeah agree that the goal is correct to stand. Presumably a little bit of a misunderstanding between Burt and Oliver.
 
According to the recent FA Learning Module completed by us level 3/4 refs, the foul on Doku is Serious Foul Play because of the speed and intensity. I can't be arsed getting into whether VAR should've intervened... that routinely just adds layers to the onion. But it's what we see on TV that really sets expectation levels, so we're screwed because the Pro game contradicts the Learning Modules

I find it staggering that an elite AR is flagging for offside for that opening Everton goal. That's extremely poor
 
strange to see such an obvious mistake by such experienced officials - not quite paying attention to what guehi was doing/going to do?

thought red live but it's definitely more 'orange' - he doesn't get him studs first though there is knee/leg contact
 
ladbroke8745 said:
The goal is a weird one for me.

Personally id like to see this as offside as he has gained an advantage being there with the initial intended pass clearly for Barry.
However, law says otherwise.
Barry never made an obvious move for the ball and Guehi, unchallenged at this point, turns and passes to him. This makes it a deliberate pass by Guehi and a completely new phase of play.
Remember, its not an offence to be in an offside position. Only if you become involved in the offside phase of play.
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The City fan site post match thread would be a lot shorter if people knew the offside law, or remembered when any touch by a defender cancelled any offside.
 
As you may know, I’m in the U.S. My son happens to be in England right now and was watching the game at a pub. He texted me about this play. He was surprised at how little the folks in the pub understood why this could not be OS on a pass from the defender. Yet when we have games here, everyone assumes the coach or parent with a British accent must know more than the ref!
 
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