Man United Vs Leeds - Hair Pulling
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As with the Keane one, the force is negligible and there could be an element of doubt it was fully intentional to go for the hair. For me to be classed as violent conduct, it has to be deliberate, sustained and some evidence of force for a sending off. The Jack Stephens one last season is a good example where using the guidance is correct because whilst the force was not too strong, it was deliberate and there is no doubt it was a clear hair pull.
I guess the counter argument would be, just don't put your hands anywhere near someone's hair and there would be no issues.
I guess the counter argument would be, just don't put your hands anywhere near someone's hair and there would be no issues.
I think any hair pulling incident is going to be deliberate - I can't see how someone can accidentally pull someone's hair. If you attempt to pull their shirt, for example, but grab their hair - you have still deliberately pulled them by the hair. It doesn't need to be sustained, it just has to be more than negligible force. From memory, Keane's was definitely more than negligible force - I'm just not convinced this one clears the very low threshold for it to be deemed VC.
Better clip here skip to 3:14 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/c62j0yqzn8vo
Martinez goes for it twice so it's definitely intentional and it is not negligible force.
Martinez goes for it twice so it's definitely intentional and it is not negligible force.
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In the context of prem this season I’m surprised.
I am conscious that the LotG does not say we should find whatever excuses we can to avoid sanctioning players
But easy red for me. Wasn’t there quite a widely reported incident in the womens game recently that might have affected this?
I am conscious that the LotG does not say we should find whatever excuses we can to avoid sanctioning players
But easy red for me. Wasn’t there quite a widely reported incident in the womens game recently that might have affected this?
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TBF I am very happy with how incidents like hair pulling, spitting at and biting are managed in the game. These are unacceptable acts and if dealt with lightly they become regular occurrences. The latter was not specifically in laws but was added a few years ago. I won't be surprised if hair pulling is also added soon.
Look at Martinez's fingers, they didn't fully clench.
Also note that DCL's hand slapped on Martinez's face before that. So in my view it was a reactionary aborted hair pulling attempt, very loose pulling, I wouldn't give it a red, but one yellow for each of DCL and Martinez.
Also note that DCL's hand slapped on Martinez's face before that. So in my view it was a reactionary aborted hair pulling attempt, very loose pulling, I wouldn't give it a red, but one yellow for each of DCL and Martinez.
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I'm torn on this one. I think there's been good points for/against VC made in this thread.
I wonder whether the LoTG might be updated in future to reflect this kind of incident, with similar wording to Offences where an object is thrown?
Offences where an object (or the ball) is thrown
I wonder whether the LoTG might be updated in future to reflect this kind of incident, with similar wording to Offences where an object is thrown?
Offences where an object (or the ball) is thrown
In all cases, the referee takes the appropriate disciplinary action:
- reckless – caution the offender for unsporting behaviour
- using excessive force – send off the offender for violent conduct
Wasn't going to comment, as I'm a Manchester United fan - but from reading the comments above, it certainly doesn't sound like a 'clear and obvious error' - so should VAR have been anywhere near it? Or is the fact that the referee wil clearly not have seen it been enough for the review (and CL grassing Martinez to the ref! )
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