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Kent Ref said:
I just thought after all the complaints (both teams) they would have avoided the same team. Just seems like a loser before a ball is kicked.
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I can see the point you’re trying to make here and there’s merit in the question.

I think the three month gap though works in his favour. Many games since, and time enough for him to have revisited and reviewed that day and make positive changes?

A return trip within a month would *definitely* be a hiding to nothing, of course.

And guilty as I am of imposing my own outlook, this is a chance at redemption - last time was a blip. Go out and prove it, and banish that bad performance.
 
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RustyRef said:
Don't see anything rude about that. 3 months is a long time ago, if every referee who had upset a team couldn't referee them again there would be games without referees.
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You're totally missing the point.

There's a whole range of games this ref could have had so i would have avoided giving them those 2 specific teams - it's just easier and makes sense and leaves the ref under less pressure.

It's not like he refs league one or two every week - he's now done 3 all season.

Your "let it go" comment was rude and un-needed but i don't think you understand how to talk to people.

After all this is your site so you control everything.

Think about it.
 
Tealeaf said:
I can see the point you’re trying to make here and there’s merit in the question.

I think the three month gap though works in his favour. Many games since, and time enough for him to have revisited and reviewed that day and make positive changes?

A return trip within a month would *definitely* be a hiding to nothing, of course.

And guilty as I am of imposing my own outlook, this is a chance at redemption - last time was a blip. Go out and prove it, and banish that bad performance.
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Incidentally - i am told the ref was light on the cards (2) on Saturday but a lot of the decisions baffled sometimes. i.e one push foul given another worse push - no foul.

Over-ruled the A/R's 3 or 4 times. 1 corner/gk situation, 1 foul (gave it the other way) and a throw-in were mentioned.
 
Kent Ref said:
You're totally missing the point.

There's a whole range of games this ref could have had so i would have avoided giving them those 2 specific teams - it's just easier and makes sense and leaves the ref under less pressure.

It's not like he refs league one or two every week - he's now done 3 all season.

Your "let it go" comment was rude and un-needed but i don't think you understand how to talk to people.

After all this is your site so you control everything.

Think about it.
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It isn't "my site" so you are way off the mark there.

Could they have given him a different game? Possibly, but I would argue why should they. If the previous game, and as I said before he could have got a great observation / evaluation mark on it, was a month before then I'd probably agree it was too soon, but 3 months, really?

You are even now saying the referee had a bad game yesterday without you even having seen it, which is beyond ridiculous. You've taken the word of someone else that he overruled ARs 3 or 4 times, I watch a lot of football and I can't remember seeing that happen more than once or twice a season, to suggest it happens 3 or 4 times in a single game is nonsensical. And if it did I would 100% agree that the referee and his team should be getting absolutely battered on the mark.
 
RustyRef said:
It isn't "my site" so you are way off the mark there.

Could they have given him a different game? Possibly, but I would argue why should they. If the previous game, and as I said before he could have got a great observation / evaluation mark on it, was a month before then I'd probably agree it was too soon, but 3 months, really?

You are even now saying the referee had a bad game yesterday without you even having seen it, which is beyond ridiculous. You've taken the word of someone else that he overruled ARs 3 or 4 times, I watch a lot of football and I can't remember seeing that happen more than once or twice a season, to suggest it happens 3 or 4 times in a single game is nonsensical. And if it did I would 100% agree that the referee and his team should be getting absolutely battered on the mark.
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As always, you know best.
 
Kent Ref said:
As always, you know best.
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I probably do in this case as I spent decades as a referee appointments officer and dealt with countless demands from clubs not to appoint a specific referee.

Letting clubs decide which referees they do and don’t get is very much the tail wagging the dog.
 
RustyRef said:
I probably do in this case as I spent decades as a referee appointments officer and dealt with countless demands from clubs not to appoint a specific referee.

Letting clubs decide which referees they do and don’t get is very much the tail wagging the dog.
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There's a BIG difference between the EFL and the local league you have been involved in.

That aside, you need to be polite to people. Especially as an admin.

Why do so many people on here have a problem with you but not the other admins?

Maybe a chat with Chas or Tealeaf would help you.
 
Kent Ref said:
There's a BIG difference between the EFL and the local league you have been involved in.

That aside, you need to be polite to people. Especially as an admin.

Why do so many people on here have a problem with you but not the other admins?

Maybe a chat with Chas or Tealeaf would help you.
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Chas isn't an admin...

We aren't going down a road where we argue with and about each other. That's a fast track program to thread closure. If you don't like Rusty's posts it is your decision as to whether you engage with them or not. You may not like his responses, similarly they may not like yours.

The principles of what Rusty says are the same, granted the elite game gets much more exposure but ultimately it is not for the clubs, and their fans, to decide which referees they do and don't get appointed and that applies across all levels of the game.

Your friend obviously has informed his opinion from the stand and that's not the best place to do it from. I stopped counting how many times I came away from the ground at games involving my team wondering what on the earth the officials were thinking to see the highlights and see that they were in fact spot on! I also know many referees, not just on here, who are unable to objectively analyse decisions involving their teams so I think it's absolutely right to question the credibility of your posting from a game you didn't attend based on a probably non-objective opinion.
 
To echo what others have said, there is no way that any appointing person / body should be taking any notice of a club's preferences when it comes to referees .. that's a slippery slope.

Where I do have a little sympathy with the view of @Kent Ref , is whether it is optimal appointing to send a referee back to a particular ground / team when there are plenty others to choose from. It would be different if that referee was a regular on that division (in that case, three months would be ample) .. however if they are appointed to that division only very occasionally, then spreading around these appointments would be ideal.
 
JamesL said:
Chas isn't an admin...

We aren't going down a road where we argue with and about each other. That's a fast track program to thread closure. If you don't like Rusty's posts it is your decision as to whether you engage with them or not. You may not like his responses, similarly they may not like yours.

The principles of what Rusty says are the same, granted the elite game gets much more exposure but ultimately it is not for the clubs, and their fans, to decide which referees they do and don't get appointed and that applies across all levels of the game.

Your friend obviously has informed his opinion from the stand and that's not the best place to do it from. I stopped counting how many times I came away from the ground at games involving my team wondering what on the earth the officials were thinking to see the highlights and see that they were in fact spot on! I also know many referees, not just on here, who are unable to objectively analyse decisions involving their teams so I think it's absolutely right to question the credibility of your posting from a game you didn't attend based on a probably non-objective opinion.
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Thank you for replying without being rude.

I referred to those 2 members as they are always polite. I know Chas is not an admin person.
 
Kent Ref said:
There's a BIG difference between the EFL and the local league you have been involved in.

That aside, you need to be polite to people. Especially as an admin.

Why do so many people on here have a problem with you but not the other admins?

Maybe a chat with Chas or Tealeaf would help you.
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Disagreeing with an opinion isn't rude or impolite, especially on a discussion forum.

Not quite the EFL, but I appointed on step 5 of the women's pyramid where all games were played at semi-pro stadiums, so hardly a local league when teams are travelling as far as a 200 mile round trip. But, as others have said, the principal is the same whether it is the EPL, EFL, non-league or grass roots, it won't end well if clubs can decide which referees they do and don't want.
 
RustyRef said:
Disagreeing with an opinion isn't rude or impolite, especially on a discussion forum.

Not quite the EFL, but I appointed on step 5 of the women's pyramid where all games were played at semi-pro stadiums, so hardly a local league when teams are travelling as far as a 200 mile round trip. But, as others have said, the principal is the same whether it is the EPL, EFL, non-league or grass roots, it won't end well if clubs can decide which referees they do and don't want.
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Disagreeing is ok.

It was the "get over it" comment that was rude. It's a shame i've had to spell this out to you as you're totally oblivious.

Once again, you've totally missed the point.
 
Kent Ref said:
Disagreeing is ok.

It was the "get over it" comment that was rude. It's a shame i've had to spell this out to you as you're totally oblivious.

Once again, you've totally missed the point.
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If you are going to quote me on something as evidence of being rude, it would be a really good idea to quote what I actually said, at no point have I said that 🤷‍♂️
 
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