About 3-4 times he should be off for this, looking forward to more baffled players at Tier 4 when I send someone off for this because it doesn't happen in these games. Frustrating.
EFL OFFINABUS
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It's not a great look all round, but not sure we should have a pile in on the AR. It's only public because the camera picks it up, and he's not going to know that's the case. Otherwise, it would probably be very similar to one many referees have let slide because it wasn't 'public.'
Whether people agree or not, OFFINABUS either has to be very public or extremely personal / abusive to be acted on at that level, and this isn't really quite either.
What I find most disappointing is the amount of comments blaming the AR rather than condemning the disgusting attitude of the player.
Whether people agree or not, OFFINABUS either has to be very public or extremely personal / abusive to be acted on at that level, and this isn't really quite either.
What I find most disappointing is the amount of comments blaming the AR rather than condemning the disgusting attitude of the player.
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While I can give into the arguments of why it is not offinabus, I would not accept any argument why it should not be dissent which would have made it his second yellow from what I read.
If different/better management could have prevented it is another argument and for me doesn't excuse the player behaviour or the referee not sanctioning it.
If different/better management could have prevented it is another argument and for me doesn't excuse the player behaviour or the referee not sanctioning it.
At the point the player tells the AR to F off in a way in which it would reach the dissent threshold the player is looking to restart the game and discontinue the debate rather than publicly protest or disagree with it, so I think there is a world where this isn't dissent. The AR is not helping the situation by blocking the player from restarting the game to debate with him and what we dont have is his side of the conversation. I'm not blaming the AR here and agree that this doesn't excuse the players lack of respect for the match official/s.
I am on total agreement that this is not a good look given the attempts to improve participant behaviour in football and I think this is a rare case, because it was caught so clearly on camera, where football would have accepted an outcome of 2nd yellow.
However, most certainly, had any action been taken without this broadcast I think the rhetoric around this clip would be significantly different and this is a massive issue in football imo.
It's a man's game. Well, this one is anyway
This wouldn't insult me if I was AR. Arguably, the AR is in the player's space and doesn't help the situation with whatever interjection he felt necessary
That said, this tolerance of mine (marked down repeatedly for it) is definitely one of the reasons I haven't done as well as I'd like (in observations) over the last two seasons, although it does result in good club marks
This wouldn't insult me if I was AR. Arguably, the AR is in the player's space and doesn't help the situation with whatever interjection he felt necessary
That said, this tolerance of mine (marked down repeatedly for it) is definitely one of the reasons I haven't done as well as I'd like (in observations) over the last two seasons, although it does result in good club marks
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In no other sport is this accepted. Regardless of coverage / lack of, and / or stage on which the game is set. I hate that this behavior is remotely normalised, but I also think it's all too far gone and impossible to correct.
Well they are trying to correct it but it gets undermined by incidents like this. If this has to go down as a second yellow and he's off then so be it but it's a TV game, the officials probably want to get to PL level so turn a blind eye incase it causes some controversy which might harm their chances of promotion in the future.
That happens to me on a parks game and the player suffers the consequences, unfortunately at that level of the game there are no consequences and to be honest I don’t expect officials at that level to act any differently. The players behaviour is a disgraceful show of disrespect to the official and unfortunately is the standard level of behaviour in the pro game. All we can do in the grassroots version of the game is apply the laws in a manner that suits our individual tolerance levels. So if a player shouting several times over directly into your face such words is found to be offensive, insulting or abusive act accordingly, the LOTG support you in doing so.
I don't think you read my post properly. I said this is is a rare occasion where football would accept, not that football doesn't accept, or football should endorse/accept referee abuse.
It's potentially a missed opportunity but I stand by that this is not obvious dissent, and the situation is not made better by the action of the assistant referee which doesn't prevent the further escalation of the player.
Like I said we are missing part of the conversation.
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Not having the assistant being victim blamed here at all.
The player clearly asked him a question, the player didn't like the response. Do you expect him to just do as he's told and '**** off'.
I'm sure "the learning" from the PGMO on this will be solely focused on the assistant.
The player clearly asked him a question, the player didn't like the response. Do you expect him to just do as he's told and '**** off'.
I'm sure "the learning" from the PGMO on this will be solely focused on the assistant.
Like it or not, if you are strict on swearing you aren't going to get beyond level 4, and if you somehow manage to you'd be heading back down very quickly. There was a L3 in the South East area a few years ago who decided he was going to have a crackdown on poor player behaviour, he finished bottom 10% for both clubs and observers and was demoted. From what I understood the observers felt he was causing his own problems with his match control, and it is obvious why the clubs marked him down.
I doubt there is any EFL or EPL AR who would have called the referee over for this. Whilst I'd agree this was one of the better opportunities to deal with it given it was repeated and could be a second caution rather than OFFINABUS, I doubt his flag arm even twitched.
I doubt there is any EFL or EPL AR who would have called the referee over for this. Whilst I'd agree this was one of the better opportunities to deal with it given it was repeated and could be a second caution rather than OFFINABUS, I doubt his flag arm even twitched.
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Weak officiating, but comes as no shock.
Coming from the area of the country I do, I’m more than accustomed to being able to manage/take/turn a blind eye of foul language. F*ck off in general is a term players tend to use when the don’t agree, but it all comes down to context and how it is said. This to me is said in a rather belittling, aggressive and quite literal tone. It’s as though he actually does want the official to f*ck off.
Has the official helped matters? Probably not. Does that give the player the right to act in this manner? Not for me.
Caution at the very very least.
You can bring in all of the rubbish around only captains can speak to referees and so on, but incidents like this are what kills referees down the pyramid. But the higher echelons are either too scared or arrogant to deal with it
Coming from the area of the country I do, I’m more than accustomed to being able to manage/take/turn a blind eye of foul language. F*ck off in general is a term players tend to use when the don’t agree, but it all comes down to context and how it is said. This to me is said in a rather belittling, aggressive and quite literal tone. It’s as though he actually does want the official to f*ck off.
Has the official helped matters? Probably not. Does that give the player the right to act in this manner? Not for me.
Caution at the very very least.
You can bring in all of the rubbish around only captains can speak to referees and so on, but incidents like this are what kills referees down the pyramid. But the higher echelons are either too scared or arrogant to deal with it
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Don’t agree. This is very very obvious dissent, even without the cameras.
He’s hardly whispered it. Then you add the hand movements into it
Strictly speaking under Law 12 it’s a red card for using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s). If it happened at grassroots & was clearly heard then a red card would be expected. It’s only because at the level discussed we are talking about a yellow, but this in itself doesn’t help those lower down the pyramid.
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You’re right. Actually did a slight typo on my comment. It should have said ‘it’s over very obvious dissent at least’
We have a set of laws for the game but officials are clearly told to apply them differently at different levels of the game. Certainly a referee developer delivering a foundation referees course would not be advising brand new referees setting out on their referee journey to ignore such behaviour but no doubt at the higher levels they are coached to react differently.
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This is a prime example of PGMOL either being weak or not caring about grassroots
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