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Im guessing (first game I've seen thus euros) the games is haven't been doing the 8 seconds thing.
Twice in a minute (between 88th and 90th) the German keeper had hold of the ball in her hands for about 20 seconds. The 2nd occasion it wasn't even any doubt about when she had control as she initially had the ball at her feet and hand hovering over the ball teasing the forward. I looked at the timer to see when she picked it up and it took about 20 seconds to release. Could even hear the players/fans asking for her to hurry up.
Assume its going to be one of those laws only implemented in the grassroots level.
 
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There has been at least one occasion in this tournament when it was penalised, so I don't think it is generally being ignored. Didn't really watch the game tonight though (on in background) but I can't really recall any issues in the England vs Italy game last night. And Italy were deploying all available dark arts to run the time down, but keeper holding ball wasn't one of them.

I do wonder if it might be one where referees only on top of it if it has any impact? Much like holding at corners needing to be impactful, is the keeper holding onto the ball impactful when it is 0:0?
 
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RustyRef said:
There has been at least one occasion in this tournament when it was penalised, so I don't think it is generally being ignored. Didn't really watch the game tonight though (on in background) but I can't really recall any issues in the England vs Italy game last night. And Italy were deploying all available dark arts to run the time down, but keeper holding ball wasn't one of them.

I do wonder if it might be one where referees only on top of it if it has any impact? Much like holding at corners needing to be impactful, is the keeper holding onto the ball impactful when it is 0:0?
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You can rest assured, officials on professional games will (attempt to) enforce this regardless of the match situation. Not least because, initially at least, you can expect Observers to be all over this like a rash. The challenge will however be for this to become second nature for the referees amongst all the other things that have been embedded over the years .. this will doubtless lead to some patchy implementation, purely led by forgetfulness rather than bad intent. Certainly a good topic to add into the pre match discussion in order to ensure the referee is ‘nudged’ if necessary!
 
ladbroke8745 said:
Im guessing (first game I've seen thus euros) the games is haven't been doing the 8 seconds thing.
Twice in a minute (between 88th and 90th) the German keeper had hold of the ball in her hands for about 20 seconds. The 2nd occasion it wasn't even any doubt about when she had control as she initially had the ball at her feet and hand hovering over the ball teasing the forward. I looked at the timer to see when she picked it up and it took about 20 seconds to release. Could even hear the players/fans asking for her to hurry up.
Assume its going to be one of those laws only implemented in the grassroots level.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. I actually counted out loud while I was watching the match lat night.
 
RustyRef said:
There has been at least one occasion in this tournament when it was penalised, so I don't think it is generally being ignored. Didn't really watch the game tonight though (on in background) but I can't really recall any issues in the England vs Italy game last night. And Italy were deploying all available dark arts to run the time down, but keeper holding ball wasn't one of them.

I do wonder if it might be one where referees only on top of it if it has any impact? Much like holding at corners needing to be impactful, is the keeper holding onto the ball impactful when it is 0:0?
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Does this law amendment mention referees should consider "impactfulness" when enforcing, or not, the 8 seconds?

It's enforced or it's not. And eventually this will die a death like the "six seconds".
 
My third middle of pre-season was Tuesday night, and I finally got to a ‘2’. ✌🏻

I was almost vibrating with excitement.
 
Purron4 said:
This is exactly what I was thinking. I actually counted out loud while I was watching the match lat night.
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I bet you were good company 🤣

I've done four games in the middle so far, and it's not quite second nature yet. That said, most are getting the ball back in play so the countdown has been needed that often.
 
I watched a grassroots ref youtube video the other day, and he said that because he was focused on counting, he often found himself stopping in a poor position in order to do the count, rather than using the GK's "thinking time" to determine/get back into position like he would previously.

I haven't done any preseason so far, but I feel like my solution is going to be that I get back into position naturally, assume that took the 3 "uncounted" seconds and so stick my hand up and start the 5 at the point when I'm ready for it to be kicked.
 
RustyRef said:
There has been at least one occasion in this tournament when it was penalised, so I don't think it is generally being ignored. Didn't really watch the game tonight though (on in background) but I can't really recall any issues in the England vs Italy game last night. And Italy were deploying all available dark arts to run the time down, but keeper holding ball wasn't one of them.

I do wonder if it might be one where referees only on top of it if it has any impact? Much like holding at corners needing to be impactful, is the keeper holding onto the ball impactful when it is 0:0?
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Surely we cannot introduce a new law solely because those at the top didn't penalise under the old law, only for the same thing to happen? That would be rather depressing.
 
Ben448844 said:
Surely we cannot introduce a new law solely because those at the top didn't penalise under the old law, only for the same thing to happen? That would be rather depressing.
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I’m not saying they will. But people are saying it isn’t being applied in the women’s Euros so thinking as to potential reasons why this might be the case.
 
Kent Ref said:
@RustyRef

What was the answer to my question? You are a law expert on here.
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The obvious answer is it is black and white, 8 seconds is 8 seconds. Only time will tell how it actually gets applied though, and if you ask 100 people to manually count to 8 seconds you are probably going to get results between 5 and 12 seconds, possibly wider. Plus the interpretation of when the keeper has control of the ball will differ, so there is going to be a variance in terms of how we see this implemented.
 
RustyRef said:
The obvious answer is it is black and white, 8 seconds is 8 seconds. Only time will tell how it actually gets applied though, and if you ask 100 people to manually count to 8 seconds you are probably going to get results between 5 and 12 seconds, possibly wider. Plus the interpretation of when the keeper has control of the ball will differ, so there is going to be a variance in terms of how we see this implemented.
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Does this law amendment mention referees should consider "impactfulness" when enforcing, or not, the 8 seconds?
 
Kent Ref said:
Does this law amendment mention referees should consider "impactfulness" when enforcing, or not, the 8 seconds?
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No, but nor did law initially say that holding had to be impactful. And it didn't say that the 6 second law should be ignored, didn't say that dissent should be ignored, didn't say that throw-ins could be taken from wherever players want, need I go on?. Let's wait and see what happens.
 
I have to say, I had high hopes that this would be properly implemented, based on what the IFAB had reported on how successful it was in the trials. However, having watched it apparently being ignored in the Women's Euros, I'm starting to have my doubts.
 
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