The Ref Stop

Corner warnings

Donate to RefChat

Help keep RefChat running, any donation would be appreciated

L

ladbroke8745

Censorship
Watching England game (could've made an England thread but felt its not England game related) and the ref has blown her whistle twice in the same corner to warn of holding with communicating to the captain too (who just walked off and didnt say a thing to team mates)..
How many chances do you give players?
I tend to tell players at the first corner "nothing stupid, and you wont give away anything stupid, and this goes both ways".

What tactics do anyone else use?
How many times do you tell players?
 
The Ref Stop
ladbroke8745 said:
Watching England game (could've made an England thread but felt its not England game related) and the ref has blown her whistle twice in the same corner to warn of holding with communicating to the captain too (who just walked off and didnt say a thing to team mates)..
How many chances do you give players?
I tend to tell players at the first corner "nothing stupid, and you wont give away anything stupid, and this goes both ways".

What tactics do anyone else use?
How many times do you tell players?
Click to expand...
It is a real pet hate of mine. I don't mind them going in once early in the game to remind people, but it has got to the point that they are now doing it at almost every corner and it is wasting so much time. I saw it in a game at Hillsborough last season and I reckon, conservatively, that more than 5 minutes were lost to the referee warning players at corners and set pieces.

And to do it twice on the same corner, as Stephanie Frappart did tonight, is ludicrous, just warn them once then if it carries on give either a defensive free kick or a penalty.
 
JamesL said:
View attachment 8206

Here is what law says ...

My guess is that it's a friendly so the referee was avoiding the caution but proactively avoiding having to award a penalty at the same time.

It's not right, but we all know that we are more lenient in friendly games where we can be
Click to expand...
I get that, but there surely needs to be an element of realism. That part of law was probably written when obvious holding happened a couple of times a game, now it happens at just about every corner. The constant delays are driving spectators round the bend, commentators and pundits are now mentioning their frustration at this in most games.

In the occasion tonight, she didn't actually speak to the two players again, rather just spoke to the Senegal captain which showed she knew which player was continuing to offence after the first warning. So just let it go and then penalise if it happens once the ball is in play.
 
I’ve never stopped a corner to give a warning. I’ll often give a verbal “I’m watching - nothing stupid” or something along those lines but if continues then I’ll give the free kick/penalty as appropriate. A lot of things annoy me in professional games, but top of my list of things that do my head is where they seem to stop just about every corner to warn them. It doesn’t make the slightest bit of difference.
 
I tend to give them a loud shout at the first corner “nothing stupid or l might have a decision to make one way or the other”. Given either a pen or fk twice after as a result and in both of those games there was no more holding at corners so it worked. When it carries on I don’t normally give them a long talking to. Just a quick you’ve been warned already and a caution tends to do the trick in my (albeit somewhat limited!) experience.
 
RustyRef said:
I get that, but there surely needs to be an element of realism. That part of law was probably written when obvious holding happened a couple of times a game, now it happens at just about every corner. The constant delays are driving spectators round the bend, commentators and pundits are now mentioning their frustration at this in most games.

In the occasion tonight, she didn't actually speak to the two players again, rather just spoke to the Senegal captain which showed she knew which player was continuing to offence after the first warning. So just let it go and then penalise if it happens once the ball is in play.
Click to expand...
No doubt but the principle of what it says is the really the same.

Like I said, it was a friendly so I guess cards are being kept close and only for when really needed. I guess in a competitive game maybe she takes a stricter approach or maybe the players heed the warning I don't know.
 
Weak refereeing. Friendly or not, it's incredibly weak and frustrating to see. Warn them once, maybe twice. After that, take action.
 
On the subject of the England game... the handball?
Now before I go any further, and because clearly I'm an England fan, I'll say we were dreadful and deservedly lost, but I don't personally think there's enough in that to change the on field decision, regardless of what it is.
I don't think it's made the body unnaturally bigger considering the football action being made and I don't think it's a deliberate act. The player didn't score deliberately after either. There's also the question of whether the point of contact is penalisable (aware this isn't a word) as handball or whether it's above the line from the bottom of the armpit. I really don't think that's VAR review worthy.
 
RefereeX said:
On the subject of the England game... the handball?
Now before I go any further, and because clearly I'm an England fan, I'll say we were dreadful and deservedly lost, but I don't personally think there's enough in that to change the on field decision, regardless of what it is.
I don't think it's made the body unnaturally bigger considering the football action being made and I don't think it's a deliberate act. The player didn't score deliberately after either. There's also the question of whether the point of contact is penalisable (aware this isn't a word) as handball or whether it's above the line from the bottom of the armpit. I really don't think that's VAR review worthy.
Click to expand...
Agree. The referee made a decision and in effect VAR had to deem that it clearly and obviously wrong on two counts. Whether it hit a part of the arm that can be penalised for handling as it was very high, and also was it intentional. It was probably more obviously wrong that it was below the armpit, but there's no way it was C&O that it was intentional, his arm was by his side and pretty much exactly where you would expect it to be for someone challenging at a corner. Tuchel seemed to suggest afterwards that the officials didn't know the law, I really hope they didn't tell him that it didn't matter if it was intentional or not as a goal was scored, as that would mean they are a couple of years out of date. At least it was in a friendly, can you imagine if that was disallowed in a World Cup semi-final or final?

Although part of me was glad it was disallowed. Bellingham and Tuchel won't agree, but it being allowed would have glossed over another awful England performance.
 
JamesL said:
No doubt but the principle of what it says is the really the same.

Like I said, it was a friendly so I guess cards are being kept close and only for when really needed. I guess in a competitive game maybe she takes a stricter approach or maybe the players heed the warning I don't know.
Click to expand...
But how many times do you see cautions for it continuing to happen after a warning, it is incredibly rare? What inevitably happens is the referee warns a couple of players, they then get back into position and carry on exactly as they left off. 90% of time it is just to impress the observer (or video panel), I've watched referees do it at every single corner this season, it is ridiculous. I've seen one particular referee do it when players weren't even close to each other, both players were actually laughing at him.

Think about warnings away from refereeing. If you keep warning a burglar that they shouldn't do it will they stop? If you keep warning a child that if they don't stop misbehaving will they stop? No, of course they won't, there has to be a sanction. And the footballing equivalent of court, fines, prison, sent to room, PlayStation confiscated, etc, sanctions is giving a penalty or defensive free kick.
 
RustyRef said:
But how many times do you see cautions for it continuing to happen after a warning, it is incredibly rare? What inevitably happens is the referee warns a couple of players, they then get back into position and carry on exactly as they left off. 90% of time it is just to impress the observer (or video panel), I've watched referees do it at every single corner this season, it is ridiculous. I've seen one particular referee do it when players weren't even close to each other, both players were actually laughing at him.

Think about warnings away from refereeing. If you keep warning a burglar that they shouldn't do it will they stop? If you keep warning a child that if they don't stop misbehaving will they stop? No, of course they won't, there has to be a sanction. And the footballing equivalent of court, fines, prison, sent to room, PlayStation confiscated, etc, sanctions is giving a penalty or defensive free kick.
Click to expand...
It shouldn’t impress an Observer/tick a box if compliance is not achieved - in fact it should be the opposite (at least a minor development point).
 
DavidObs said:
It shouldn’t impress an Observer/tick a box if compliance is not achieved - in fact it should be the opposite (at least a minor development point).
Click to expand...
Perhaps I meant they think they are impressing the observer 🤷‍♂️

That said, if that is the case at senior levels there must be a lot of minor development points being given out as it happens at almost every game. And 90% of the time the players nod as though they were listening and then go back to exactly the same grappling they were doing before the warning.

More and more pundits and commentators are picking up on it and complaining about it, and whilst I don’t usually agree with them I certainly do in this case. Just let it play out and then penalise if it carries on after the ball is in play.
 
And while I’m on a roll, I hate this new “mutual holding” thing, or rather warning them for it. If you are never going to penalise when both players are holding each other what’s the point in warning them? You are in effect warning them for an offence that will never be penalised, which is the very definition of a pointless exercise.

Do I need to email Howard? 😂
 
RustyRef said:
And while I’m on a roll, I hate this new “mutual holding” thing, or rather warning them for it. If you are never going to penalise when both players are holding each other what’s the point in warning them? You are in effect warning them for an offence that will never be penalised, which is the very definition of a pointless exercise.

Do I need to email Howard? 😂
Click to expand...
Perhaps the issue is mainly to do with EFL & PL, rather than say at levels L5-L2, especially when there are no Observers at PL (though there are in the EFL). The Referees performances are analysed at PL/PGMOL but by what criteria etc I no longer know.
 
JamesL said:
No doubt but the principle of what it says is the really the same.

Like I said, it was a friendly so I guess cards are being kept close and only for when really needed. I guess in a competitive game maybe she takes a stricter approach or maybe the players heed the warning I don't know.
Click to expand...
Disagree that a yellow was given because it's a friendly. How many times have you ever seen a yellow card given in this circumstance?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top