El Clasico Referee Interview
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I truly do not believe that striking is the way to go.
Lucarelli99
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Care to explain why?
3 main reasons:
1) It was determined from the Referee’s report that it was a case of "… minor violence against the referees", whereby the Referee stated in his report that Rudiger was dismissed for "throwing an object from the technical area, which missed me". It could be argued that it was a technical assault rather than an assault, whereby although both are extremely bad, the fact that no official was hurt etc has to be treated as ‘mitigation’. I think the main issue is when the 6 match suspension will be served & how much football he actually misses.
2) Referees are there do their job on the day and let others deal with the length of time of formal misconduct action.
3) Strike action should only be taken as a very last resort & I don’t think that needs to come into play in respect of this particular incident. Had any of the officials been hurt, then different kettle of fish.
I can accept the reasons listed against strike action but alternatively the longer behaviour like this is leniently punished then the sooner it will be that a referee is killed on a football pitch! If this behaviour isn’t stamped on harshly at the top then it feeds down into grassroots. I think it’s about time professional officials did take a stand as that would open doors for officials at the lower ends to follow suit.
Runner Ref
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I don't think going on strike necessarily refers to just this incident. Things have been bubbling away in Spain for a while now. Especially with Real Madrid.
And that would be fair enough.
I agree with the principle and as Runner Ref has said, the thread I was replying to probably had more to it with it being Real Madrid than just the incident involving the 6 match ban. I don’t think a 6 match ban is overly lenient for this particular incident in professional football because the object missed. However, had the Referee been hit/hurt then I would have expected to see a ban at least double as a minimum.
I don't disagree with any of that David. As I've said on here before, I work with athletes so am quite the opposite of anti-athlete, understand the frustrations and that regrettable behaviour will happen and fully support an appeal system and any outcomes.
My comment re striking was more as a culmination of events in Spain, which have been going on unabated for a long time largely in relation to Real, as oppposed to the six match ban alone (which, to me, is fine for what he did). It is so pervasive and the Spanish FA seem spineless and incapable of dealing or unwilling to deal with it.
That’s true with your final para.
There’s also regional politics at player as a friend from Spain put it when he refereed there it was a open secret that there were serious issues with Spanish FA , Referees themselves and regional politics even acknowledged by the Spanish FA but it’s very hard and complex to deal with and a strike could make that worse and may be seen as political if certain regions referees had certian fixtures that week.
Why should his punishment be less because he wasn’t accurate? He’s attempted to throw something at an official, whether he hits him or misses him should be irrelevant
I agree with you in theory but the precedence is set by law of the land the minimum sentence for attempted murder is less than murder same issue here.
one
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I don't agree in theory or practice.
The punishment for "attempting something bad" like this should be severe. The punishment for actually "committing something bad" like this should be more severe.
Look at this the other way around. Let's say they gave him 6 months here. And then there is a similar incident in a few weeks with the only difference being the object actually hitting the referee. We'd all be expecting a heftier punishment for the fact that the object hit the referee this time. No one will be saying the fact that the object hit the referee is irrelevant.
I know this was in Spain, but in England there are three grades of offences against match officials.
Threatening behaviour and / or abusive behaviour.
As above but including physical or attempted physical contact.
Assault or attempted assault on a match official.
Obviously each of those carries different and escalating sanctions. Don’t know the Spanish equivalents, but I’d guess Rudiger’s would fall under the first unless they felt he deliberately attempted to strike the referee in which case it could be the second. And if it had hit him it could be either the second or third category, depending on the intensity. I was hit by a (full 2 litre) water bottle years ago when a player threw it at me after being sent off. He was charged with assault on a match official but it was deemed to be the middle of those offences (slightly different wording to what they are now) and he was banned for a year, that could have been 10 years if they’d gone for the third category.
It isn’t as simple as saying the sanction should be the same even though he missed.
Runner Ref
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m not questioning how the conclusion is reached. But if an a player attempts to throw something at an official it should be irrelevant if he hits him or not. The only failure there is accuracy but the intent was the same. He wanted to hit him, he just simply missed. Throw the book at them (and don’t miss)
one
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I get that. He should be severely punished. And I agree with that part. What doesn't sit well with me is that if someone else does the same and doesn't miss, s/he should get an even bigger punishment, not the same.
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Looks like Barca have decided to follow Madrids lead......
Barcelona point the finger at 'Madridista' referee after Inter defeat https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...tml?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
Barcelona point the finger at 'Madridista' referee after Inter defeat https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...tml?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
This is getting ridiculous. I was only able to dip in & out of the game, but from the significant parts of the game I did watch, he looked an excellent referee having a very good game & dealing very well with players & player antics. When players & club representatives are involving themselves in this sort of charade, they come across as unprofessional & sour grapes. As to the changing of his mind to award a penalty to Inter just before half time, as well as turning down penalty claims for handball by an Inter defender, both were of course subjective, but I had no issues with either outcome. Barcelona have let themselves down in my eyes. Whatever happened to dignity in defeat.
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