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Man U v Arsenal wall controversy

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GraemeS said:
I mean, if the TV company can do it generate their referee-bashing screenshot to rile up social media, it's not beyond the possibility that if VAR were empowered to disallow goals for this reason they would have access to the same tech. I've certainly seen similar applied before to display the distance and angle of a long goal, so (without knowing if it's remotely accurate of course), it's been a thing that could have gone into the VAR toolkit for years.

Whether they should be expected to do that is a fair question, and I'm of the opinion that under the current VAR system, I don't want goals disallowed by VAR for this. I'd actually be fine with attackers in the wall being a challengeable aspect under a challenge system only, but even then, pacing the wall out has always been accepted as one of those hidden "approximately" things in the lawbook (and a less varied one than the "approximately 6 seconds GKs get to hold the ball), so it's a bit wild to suddenly start pretending it's always been precise apart from this one incident.
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It took Sky some time to get the distance, but my point was in reply to a comment that VAR should have checked it on this occasion, and I'm 99% sure they don't currently have the mechanism to do this. Whether they should in the future is open to debate, personally I think they shouldn't as where would they drawn the line (no pun intended). Few walls will be exactly 9.15m from the ball, so would they get involved if the wall was 9.5m away, would it need to be over 10m, etc. This is also the first time I can remember this type of situation, and there weren't even any complaints about it on the pitch at the time.
 
This VAR distance measuring came up if attackers break the LotG by being within a metre of the wall.

Weird thread. You don’t need equipment for that if it’s blatant.
 
santa sangria said:
This VAR distance measuring came up if attackers break the LotG by being within a metre of the wall.

Weird thread. You don’t need equipment for that if it’s blatant.
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Don't think it was blatant though, it looked like it from one angle but then based on the image already posted by @RefereeX I can't be even close to sure there isn't 1m between the edge of the wall and United players. Bearing in mind the Arsenal player next to Zirkzee (11) isn't part of the wall. I also suspect PGMOL would say even if it is less than 1m it hasn't affected the goal, the law was brought in to prevent attackers disrupting the wall by levering players out of the way and that clearly didn't happen in this case.

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Paul_10 said:
What is even more bizarre is Sky got Dermot Gallagher to measure 10 yards on the studio floor and he got it right much to everyone's delight in the studio yet there was a clear marker on the floor right where Dermot stopped! I mean honestly, embarrassing from everyone involved.
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Even funnier than that is that he justified getting there by saying ‘11 steps, 10 yards’ but he actually took 12 steps 🤦‍♂️
 
Saw a similar CFK (not the long distance) in Ars v Che. And noticed something common I hadn't noticed before and thought to check back on this thread.

Defensive wall is set at 10 yards according to referee standard. Then attackers set their own wall a yard in front. Often there is another defender next to the attackers' wall referees pay no attention to! 10-1=9? 🤔😕
 
Saw something from Ross Joyce yesterday I’ve never seen before with the vanishing spray… (might be commonly done, but I’ve never noticed it)
He sprayed the 10 yards for the wall with a horizontal line and then sprayed a vertical line next to the horizontal line, 1m away, for the attacker next to the wall.
 
RefereeX said:
Saw something from Ross Joyce yesterday I’ve never seen before with the vanishing spray… (might be commonly done, but I’ve never noticed it)
He sprayed the 10 yards for the wall with a horizontal line and then sprayed a vertical line next to the horizontal line, 1m away, for the attacker next to the wall.
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That is very common on Premier League games.
 
RefereeX said:
Saw something from Ross Joyce yesterday I’ve never seen before with the vanishing spray… (might be commonly done, but I’ve never noticed it)
He sprayed the 10 yards for the wall with a horizontal line and then sprayed a vertical line next to the horizontal line, 1m away, for the attacker next to the wall.
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Which way is vertical? ☺️😝
 
RefereeX said:
The opposite of the other line I’ve already described as horizontal 😉
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Seriously though, I have not seen this and having trouble picturing it. Unless they are parallel I don't see how they could be useful. And if they are perpendicular, the second line can only be accurately dawn after the keeper has finished with left/right movement of the wall.

In either case a single line can limit the attackers from areas they are legally allowed to stand. The only 'complete' line would be a round edged rectangle and only drawn after the defenders are set. For example there can be over 1m difference in wall lenght between a 3player and a 5 player wall.
 
Ref could attach these either end of the wall 🤭

Bit like when mad people would poke you out the way with an umbrella if you had to walk past them on a pavement during COVID

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one said:
Seriously though, I have not seen this and having trouble picturing it. Unless they are parallel I don't see how they could be useful. And if they are perpendicular, the second line can only be accurately dawn after the keeper has finished with left/right movement of the wall.

In either case a single line can limit the attackers from areas they are legally allowed to stand. The only 'complete' line would be a round edged rectangle and only drawn after the defenders are set. For example there can be over 1m difference in wall lenght between a 3player and a 5 player wall.
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As below. The referee would walk the wall back, wait for the goalkeeper to position them, then spray his line, starting on the left hand side of the wall, then spray the vertical line 1m from that left hand point.

I take the point that this could be done differently, but I've just not personally seen it marked with the foam at all before.

P.S. I have measured. and the wall below is exactly 11.2 yards before anyone moans.

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RefereeX said:
As below. The referee would walk the wall back, wait for the goalkeeper to position them, then spray his line, starting on the left hand side of the wall, then spray the vertical line 1m from that left hand point.

I take the point that this could be done differently, but I've just not personally seen it marked with the foam at all before.

P.S. I have measured. and the wall below is exactly 11.2 yards before anyone moans.

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The groundsman has had a few too many liqueurs the night before 😂
 
I've never seen a line drawn orthogonal/normal/perpendicular to the 10-yard foam line as indicated in the diagram, it's normally drawn parallel in the front of the wall.
 
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