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pdhmobile

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Hi everyone

Had only my 2nd ever game as a referee and it was U16's which I thought went pretty well but a couple of incidents I would like opinions on,

First up, home team shoot after a bit of a scramble in the penalty area and a defender blocks a certain goal on the line with his hand (left arm was high and wide). I then have a mind blank and a holy **** moment thinking what is the punishment. Because I wasn't sure if it was YC or RC I only gave the penalty. I heard a few shouts for a RC from the sidelines but nothing too crazy. I think the saving grace was that the home side went on to win comfortably, had it been a draw or a loss, I'm sure I would have heard alot more about it .

Secondly, towards the end of the match the home team bring on a sub who had normal specs on, I'm sure I've read somewhere about specs, I know I have about jewellery, but the sub was made as if nothing was wrong which again made me doubt my thought on sports specs.

What's your thoughts
 
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I've copied the relevant section of Law 12 regarding handball's and DOGSO when in the penalty area for you:

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence, the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area).

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a non-deliberate handball offence and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned.

If the handball was deliberate, you should send the offender off. Otherwise, as quoted above, caution. If the handball is accidental but outside the penalty area, you must still send off as normal (if DOGSO). I'll admit I'm still getting used to that change as it only came in for this season.

With regards to glasses, in youth football most would generally advise that you exercise some common sense and only refuse entry if the glasses pose a danger to others or the player themselves, although at U16 you'd really need to think about the intensity of the game as well - are challenges likely to fly in and someone potentially get hit by glasses coming off etc?

Edit: found this for you with regards to glasses:

Children and grassroots football: Whilst The FA recommends Polycarbonate lenses we recognise this may be an issue for children playing in grassroots football. Therefore we encourage referees officiating in grassroots youth football to be tolerant over glasses. However the individual referee has to show concern for all those playing in that game and if s/he feels there is something dangerous in the glasses i.e. sharp edges, etc, then in order to protect players and also the wearer him/herself s/he has the authority to say the glasses can’t be worn.

Not one that comes up very often but you may find the above helpful.
 
Gabriel said:
I've copied the relevant section of Law 12 regarding handball's and DOGSO when in the penalty area for you:

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence, the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area).

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a non-deliberate handball offence and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned.

If the handball was deliberate, you should send the offender off. Otherwise, as quoted above, caution. If the handball is accidental but outside the penalty area, you must still send off as normal (if DOGSO). I'll admit I'm still getting used to that change as it only came in for this season.

With regards to glasses, in youth football most would generally advise that you exercise some common sense and only refuse entry if the glasses pose a danger to others or the player themselves, although at U16 you'd really need to think about the intensity of the game as well - are challenges likely to fly in and someone potentially get hit by glasses coming off etc?

Edit: found this for you with regards to glasses:

Children and grassroots football: Whilst The FA recommends Polycarbonate lenses we recognise this may be an issue for children playing in grassroots football. Therefore we encourage referees officiating in grassroots youth football to be tolerant over glasses. However the individual referee has to show concern for all those playing in that game and if s/he feels there is something dangerous in the glasses i.e. sharp edges, etc, then in order to protect players and also the wearer him/herself s/he has the authority to say the glasses can’t be worn.

Not one that comes up very often but you may find the above helpful.
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Ref the glasses, the game was done, weather horrendous and I got the impression that this lad doesn't get many minutes, so I'm glad I applied common sense (more luck than judgement in this case).

Ref handball - I think officially it was a deliberate handball so should have been a RC and a penalty.

I had in my mind for some reason about double jeopardy, can't have a penalty and a RC. Not sure where I'm getting that from.....
 
Its red card for the handball and a penalty but don't sweat it, it's a learning process that you only get better with more games and experience 👍

As for glasses, yes, it's guidance as per the above. I always ask if lenses are plastic (they nearly all are these days) and advise about safety glasses. Sounds like you got that right 👍
 
pdhmobile said:
I had in my mind for some reason about double jeopardy, can't have a penalty and a RC. Not sure where I'm getting that from.....
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You'd be correct if the handball was accidental (but still making the body unnaturally bigger). It would be downgraded to a yellow card.
 
RefereeX said:
You'd be correct if the handball was accidental (but still making the body unnaturally bigger). It would be downgraded to a yellow card.
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I find it helpful to keep the word ‘accidental’ solely for contact with the hand / arm that should not be penalized (unless leading immediately to a goal by the same player). I believe this is the thinking that led to instead describing unnatural position handball offenses as ‘non deliberate’
 
Defender stood on goal line, ball heading into the goal:
- If the defender deliberately handles it - red
- If the defender's arm is making their body unnaturally bigger (i.e. it's not an expected position given their movement) but they don't intentionally handle it - yellow
- If the ball hits the defender's hand/arm but it's not deliberate or in an unnatural position - no offence
 
Russell Jones said:
I find it helpful to keep the word ‘accidental’ solely for contact with the hand / arm that should not be penalized (unless leading immediately to a goal by the same player). I believe this is the thinking that led to instead describing unnatural position handball offenses as ‘non deliberate’
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Understand what you mean, but in my head non-deliberate and accidental mean the same thing 😆
 
ARF said:
Defender stood on goal line, ball heading into the goal:
- If the defender deliberately handles it - red
- If the defender's arm is making their body unnaturally bigger (i.e. it's not an expected position given their movement) but they don't intentionally handle it - yellow
- If the ball hits the defender's hand/arm but it's not deliberate or in an unnatural position - no offence
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Now, can you do a flow chart, a mind map and a swim lane diagram? 😆
 
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