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RKC v PEC offside from corner

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DJIC

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I can’t believe none of the match officials or even players & management team queried this offside from a corner as there was clearly no offside offence in open play before the goal was scored.

How many officials in the VAR room? For VAR to intervene is inconceivable.

Would love to see the restart, an indirect free kick inside the corner quadrant? 😂

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It makes me furious that anyone can get to the top level and be so oblivious about such a fundamental aspect of the LotG. And I'm blaming every single official on- and off-field here equally, not just the VAR. Not one of them has pointed out that the VAR is wrong in law. Not one!
 
DJIC said:
I can’t believe none of the match officials or even players & management team queried this offside from a corner as there was clearly no offside offence in open play before the goal was scored.

How many officials in the VAR room? For VAR to intervene is inconceivable.

Would love to see the restart, an indirect free kick inside the corner quadrant? 😂

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✂️ Offside

60 seconds · Clipped by DJIC · Original video "BIZAR: GOAL IN 90e MINUUT ONTERECHT AFGEKEURD 😳🚩 | Samenvatting RKC Waalwijk - PEC Zwolle" by ESPN NL
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Protocols for offside
  • Must be involved in play
  • Must be on the opposing team's half
  • Must be in front of the ball
  • Must be in front of the 2nd to last defender (including GK) with head or foot
Every referee has a reason. Use these points to determine. Every one must apply to be offside. But this is very strange. From a corner? Offsides cannot occur on a corner kick (at least in my knowledge). And offside on the corner arc? Surely bizarre. Unless it was from a short play back to a static corner taker or a mistimed passing sequence in the box, it shouldn't be offsides. I never seen a IDFK from a corner before, except in FC 25. What was going on? 🧐
 
Maybe it is for the player who is off the field when the corner is played and he is coming back on to the pitch without permission? But the referee is signalling offside. Would be good to see where the play restarted from.
 
Part of the player is definitely on the goal line when the corner was taken, so there's nothing wrong with the corner here.

Even if he had been slightly off the field as the corner was taken, I don't think it would be within VAR's remit, as the 'offence' would have been committed prior to the restart of play. Plus, is anyone seriously stopping play and cautioning the player had he left the FoP by a few inches? Because I'm definitely not!
 
Homer Ref said:
Is my observation correct though? The player is deliberately off the park and therefore shouldn't be playing the ball?
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ARF said:
Part of the player is definitely on the goal line when the corner was taken, so there's nothing wrong with the corner here.

Even if he had been slightly off the field as the corner was taken, I don't think it would be within VAR's remit, as the 'offence' would have been committed prior to the restart of play. Plus, is anyone seriously stopping play and cautioning the player had he left the FoP by a few inches? Because I'm definitely not!
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Offsides cannot occur during corner kicks:
"3. No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick" (IFAB Laws of the Game, Page 101, Law 11, Offsides)
Referee should've known that. He really needs to review that. And the man was out of play, but ball wasn't. Although the LotG says that you cannot exit the field of play without the referee‘s permision, most of his body was in, and he probably didn't exit the field a a bit on purpose.
 
Agree that the goal should not have been disallowed for offside (and a useful, timely reminder that you can’t be offside from a corner) but I think the ball was still moving when the corner was taken, so the corner needed to be re-taken.

To be fair, I’ve had to watch it a few times to spot that, so can’t blame the man in the middle for not seeing it, and I don’t know if this is something VAR can get involved with?

Tough job that we do.
 
Wow, that's unbelievable! How can any referee look at the video and see an offside?
And yes, I think ball was moving when taken.
 
RefJef said:
Agree that the goal should not have been disallowed for offside (and a useful, timely reminder that you can’t be offside from a corner) but I think the ball was still moving when the corner was taken, so the corner needed to be re-taken.

To be fair, I’ve had to watch it a few times to spot that, so can’t blame the man in the middle for not seeing it, and I don’t know if this is something VAR can get involved with?

Tough job that we do.
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You're right that this is not a reviewable situation.

I'm not going to comment on the referee team, I cant constructively add to what has already been said.

What I will say though is the reaction from the players and benches is crazily mute. This clearly shows that their lack of knowledge and understanding of law. In what profession can you get paid as well as these guys do and not know the rules? It only takes one of them to know, a word in 4th officials ear, and a lightbulb might just appear and we get the correct decision of goal awarded.
 
Appreciate this isn’t the case here as they have comms, however.. applying this to the majority of forum users.

Let’s say you are a less experienced AR L5/6 at a step 5 game and the referee and other AR make this call.

At what point would you (standing on the touchline on the half way line as a less experienced AR) be raising your flag and getting involved to say ‘I don’t think this is right?’. Yes - We have a duty to, but it doesn’t always seem that straight forward.

Something I always mention in my briefing to NARs .. I don’t care if it looks messy, do not let me restart play if you think I am wrong in law. I’d much rather explain that after the game to an irate manager than to try and explain us being incorrect in law.
 
Ref really needs to go over that agian in his mind. He should've known that. Probably didn't consider that in his own rulebook.
 
Absolutely agreed @Redref34 - we can take a lesson here for those of us refereeing outside of the professional bubble. Team of three, and if I drop a bollock in the middle and am * incorrect in Law * then empower your assistants to give you a buzz. Rather have a 20s delay than having to explain myself to competition, appts sec, RDO, mentor, CORE WhatsApp group (etc).

Happened on my first line of this season. Ref sinbinned a player for some very obvious dissent. Play about to restart from the offside and I’m buzzing like mad…tell ref no temporary dismissals in this competition. All eyes on me for thirty seconds but had to do it.

(Also: READ COMPETITION RULES)

Had the pleasure of flagging for the OP earlier this season (another match) and it was a delightful day out 🤩
 
A wise referee will give their AR’s some and then take some away. There’s nothing much worse than a ‘busy’ liner, however you need to make it clear to them to make you aware if you are clearly wrong in law.

It’s rare it happens, but you need to make sure the whole team are paying attention
 
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